Relic Weapons just aren't that great...

Legomyeggo

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...compared to 100 in any tradeskill.

This has probably been posted before, but I just don't quite understand it.

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Discuss.
 
id say thats correct.
you can buy most of your way to a relic weapon.
 
Further proof that people are just really, really stupid.
 
Oropher said:
id say thats correct.
you can buy most of your way to a relic weapon.
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It's alot easier to get 100 in a craft, since you can buy all of it.
And do it whenever you are online.
No schedule to fit, no NM you need to kill and get drop from and so on and so on.

Sure, to get to 100 in a craft there has to be mats on AH.
But that's the only problem.
Not to mention alot cheaper than getting a Relic weapon.
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I dont remember the exact number of days it took, but I dont think it took Jono 1 week to cap one of the mules.


However, no, most relic weapons are not that great.
Shield and Flute is the only 2 ones that will really make a differance.
Not saying other weapons isn't good.
But no where near the price they cost if you buy all your coins.
 
getting 100 wood is like .. 2 million maybe ?
 
Whereas just getting your Attestation can take more than that, assuming you're sponsoring the runs necessary.
 
Getting 100 cooking *made* me a net 1 million. (Granted, this was when prices were higher, but still it's break even at worst.)
 
Reko said:
It's alot easier to get 100 in a craft, since you can buy all of it.
And do it whenever you are online.
No schedule to fit, no NM you need to kill and get drop from and so on and so on.

Sure, to get to 100 in a craft there has to be mats on AH.
But that's the only problem.
Not to mention alot cheaper than getting a Relic weapon.
[Ninja Edit]
I dont remember the exact number of days it took, but I dont think it took Jono 1 week to cap one of the mules.


However, no, most relic weapons are not that great.
Shield and Flute is the only 2 ones that will really make a differance.
Not saying other weapons isn't good.
But no where near the price they cost if you buy all your coins.
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the best relic weapons are probably Aegis, Gjallhorn, Amanomaruko (sp?) and H2H. Aegis and Gjallhorn are obvious, Amanomaruko because the relic WS is actually good, and due to the fact SAM can spam WS's, and H2H because they basically get 2 relics, one for each hand. That's one of the reason Destroyers are so good.
 
Destroyers > Spharai last I heard.
 
Uzor said:
the best relic weapons are probably Aegis, Gjallhorn, Amanomaruko (sp?) and H2H. Aegis and Gjallhorn are obvious, Amanomaruko because the relic WS is actually good, and due to the fact SAM can spam WS's, and H2H because they basically get 2 relics, one for each hand. That's one of the reason Destroyers are so good.
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Saphari's suck, hard. The only decent thing about them is the boost to your counter rate, but other than that they're in no way better than destroyers for the money. The DPS is insignificantly higher than destroyers and they don't have +crit; they suck.
 
You could add Mandau to the list of useful ones as well. A few of the others may be debateable. Some of course, are quite squarely in the lol category, such as Claustrum and Mjollnir.
 
Well, to be fair, it doesn't specifically state that you have to upgrade the relic weapon, just "obtain" it. Hell, I've probably obtained a half-dozen relic weapons over my Dynamis career, and threw them all away.
 
No, I wouldn't say they're worth the money. But two equally geared MNK's, one with Destroyers and the other with Spharai, the Spharai would outdamage him, even if only slightly.

Most other relic weapons are a piece of crap, though. The Counter rate is really useful, and instead of a +6 critical hit rate, it have a 5% chance to do triple damage. And last I checked, critical hit rate isn't 3x normal damage.

I think 6% critical hit rate for 5% chance of triple attack is a fair trade of. especially since Asuran Fist isn't a Critical Hit rate mod.
 
Uzor said:
No, I wouldn't say they're worth the money. But two equally geared MNK's, one with Destroyers and the other with Spharai, the Spharai would outdamage him, even if only slightly.

Most other relic weapons are a piece of crap, though. The Counter rate is really useful, and instead of a +6 critical hit rate, it have a 5% chance to do triple damage. And last I checked, critical hit rate isn't 3x normal damage.

I think 6% critical hit rate for 5% chance of triple attack is a fair trade of. especially since Asuran Fist isn't a Critical Hit rate mod.
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You should check your definition of the word "good" then. Every relic weapon will out damage their non-relic counterparts, that doesn't make them good. Saphari are the worst of the bunch, though, because they are a much smaller increase in damage over normal weapons compared to other relics. That's mostly due to the broken-ness of destroyers though, but Saphari's still suck.
 
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Legomyeggo said:
I sent the following suggestions to M$:

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I'd say PUP would be up there with 500 too.

And Spharai is good. It might not increase effectiveness of other jobs such as Mandau or Apocalypse do. But MNK and Destroyers i nthemselves are very powerfull, so making Spharai as powerfull as most other weapons, would make MNK and even ebtter DD then they already are.
 
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