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go through every thread on this flameboard....... really please do
i either post in end game flames or for instance the ranger nerf flame (since im a ranger)
i have other things to care about then go through each flame and post stupid shit that nobody wants to read (and yes... i even see your name as last poster on most of these threads :/ jesus
Careface said:
go through every thread on this flameboard....... really please do
i either post in end game flames or for instance the ranger nerf flame (since im a ranger)
i have other things to care about then go through each flame and post stupid shit that nobody wants to read (and yes... i even see your name as last poster on most of these threads :/ jesus
I must say quite an interesting thread. Though, I must say that Outterheaven got burned by a weakness in their own system. When you establish a linkshell, you want to incorporate as many skilled players as possible. However, somewhere in the process you have to obtain one thing that can't be bought - trust.
Throughout the post there has been almost every possible complaint about this concept of a "Linkshell Bank." Whoever, came up with the idea didn't think it clearly through or did an unsatisfactory job of building a bond of trust with their members. There have been multiple complaints filed against Prophecy and his handling of the initial LS bank :
And to all of you who support Prophecy, let me ask you - what's your balance sheet look like?
Can you tell me the precise amount that is in your Linkshell bank account? How much gil has been deposited?
How many transactions have occured since the establishment of the bank? Can you tell me what the Linkshell expenditure sheet looks like?
Whats the earnings to expenditure ratio?
Really - Is there anyone that can find a transaction book or a deposit record since the establishment of this bank?
How much gil was in the bank on April 1, 2005?
If you can't give me a precious number, then your book keeping and linkshell bank is open to book cooking.
When you don't post a running record of ncome and expenditures for the linkshell, how are you suppose to obtain members trust? Perhaps, blind "faith".
You can already notice that the foundations on which the principle of a linkshell bank was established is flawed in many areas. No detail accounting, no details of transactions, no details of deposits...
Absolutely no critical data was ever recorded and made public the the shareholders (members) of the linkshell.
Whats even more interesting is that the Linkshell Owner decided to overturn the decisions made by people he appointed sackholders. Mind you from these posts, these are the people that Prophecy entrusted with running the shell.
Mind you that Stouter from both posts and verification of Outterheave members did in fact lead the Linkshell in its beginning stages. Prophecy by continously over turning Stouter's decisions, not only undermined Stouter's leadership, but his faith in Prophecy as a leader.
Even members had voiced their discontent before leaving, yet it is doubtful that any of the remaining members gave it much thought.
This coming from a member that presumably showed up for events and participated in the shell. Here's a question - why haven't the rest of the members of Outterheaven come here to voice their opinions? From these 55 pages of useless and mindless rambling, I have only seen the stout Prophecy retainers. Ithenas, Cohibu, Jonas, and a few random Outterheaven members voice their judgements. I'm sure that the Linkshell isn't built on 5 people... so enlightened me... where are the rest?
Threatened by leadership?
Then there is this tidbit :
Point system wonderful, but still the bank. What was the starting balance Ithenas? Can you give us a precious amount? Or are you going to tell us an approximation that was given to you by Prophecy? You probably can't tell us what your balance sheet looks like in March or April... May? How about June? Nice that your actually doing "book keeping", but how much have the book's been cooked to this point?
Oh.. thats right.. there hasn't been any book cooking since no books were ever cooked... gotcha.
And finally,
Really? Is that nobles tunic yours? I'm sure the abjurations are since they are rare/ex. I remember a past post where Prophecy threatened to take back the white mages nobles tunics. Joke? Threat? Either way... tells you something... that there is a slight chance that the Nobles Tunic that you are wearing.... might not be yours!
And finally, Dua took advantage of a flawed system. A system of loaning equipment to members without an established trust factor.
Though it may not be moral to steal - Dua was able to exploit and burn the linkshell for his own personal gain. Sounds like a top notch Enron CEO (perhaps Worldcom).
Outterheaven you got burned by your own flaws. Get over it, move on and don't let anyone cook your bank books. Encorporate a system of checks and balances.
Throughout the post there has been almost every possible complaint about this concept of a "Linkshell Bank." Whoever, came up with the idea didn't think it clearly through or did an unsatisfactory job of building a bond of trust with their members. There have been multiple complaints filed against Prophecy and his handling of the initial LS bank :
Eladamiri said:
And to all of you who support Prophecy, let me ask you - what's your balance sheet look like?
Can you tell me the precise amount that is in your Linkshell bank account? How much gil has been deposited?
How many transactions have occured since the establishment of the bank? Can you tell me what the Linkshell expenditure sheet looks like?
Whats the earnings to expenditure ratio?
Really - Is there anyone that can find a transaction book or a deposit record since the establishment of this bank?
How much gil was in the bank on April 1, 2005?
If you can't give me a precious number, then your book keeping and linkshell bank is open to book cooking.
When you don't post a running record of ncome and expenditures for the linkshell, how are you suppose to obtain members trust? Perhaps, blind "faith".
You can already notice that the foundations on which the principle of a linkshell bank was established is flawed in many areas. No detail accounting, no details of transactions, no details of deposits...
Absolutely no critical data was ever recorded and made public the the shareholders (members) of the linkshell.
Whats even more interesting is that the Linkshell Owner decided to overturn the decisions made by people he appointed sackholders. Mind you from these posts, these are the people that Prophecy entrusted with running the shell.
Stouter said:
Mind you that Stouter from both posts and verification of Outterheave members did in fact lead the Linkshell in its beginning stages. Prophecy by continously over turning Stouter's decisions, not only undermined Stouter's leadership, but his faith in Prophecy as a leader.
Even members had voiced their discontent before leaving, yet it is doubtful that any of the remaining members gave it much thought.
decidence said:
This coming from a member that presumably showed up for events and participated in the shell. Here's a question - why haven't the rest of the members of Outterheaven come here to voice their opinions? From these 55 pages of useless and mindless rambling, I have only seen the stout Prophecy retainers. Ithenas, Cohibu, Jonas, and a few random Outterheaven members voice their judgements. I'm sure that the Linkshell isn't built on 5 people... so enlightened me... where are the rest?
Threatened by leadership?
Then there is this tidbit :
Ithenas said:
Point system wonderful, but still the bank. What was the starting balance Ithenas? Can you give us a precious amount? Or are you going to tell us an approximation that was given to you by Prophecy? You probably can't tell us what your balance sheet looks like in March or April... May? How about June? Nice that your actually doing "book keeping", but how much have the book's been cooked to this point?
Oh.. thats right.. there hasn't been any book cooking since no books were ever cooked... gotcha.
And finally,
Uzor said:
Really? Is that nobles tunic yours? I'm sure the abjurations are since they are rare/ex. I remember a past post where Prophecy threatened to take back the white mages nobles tunics. Joke? Threat? Either way... tells you something... that there is a slight chance that the Nobles Tunic that you are wearing.... might not be yours!
And finally, Dua took advantage of a flawed system. A system of loaning equipment to members without an established trust factor.
Though it may not be moral to steal - Dua was able to exploit and burn the linkshell for his own personal gain. Sounds like a top notch Enron CEO (perhaps Worldcom).
Outterheaven you got burned by your own flaws. Get over it, move on and don't let anyone cook your bank books. Encorporate a system of checks and balances.
Careface said:
there's already a flame about people putting ~ at the end of their sentences, why don't you look it up and resurrect it, might give you something to do. If what i've seen already holds true i'm sure you'll find a way to make a bigger asshole of yourself than you already have.
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I've seen more then just five members. I don't remember all of them, some names are Cohibu, Prophecy, Jonas, Ithenas, Chuutatu, Ithenas, Kat and myself. there's probably more that I forgot, and I'm too lazy t ore-read 55 pages of nonsense.
And I can easily understand them if they don't want to post for the simple fact that they don't feel like reading 55 pages of 10 different flames that makes no sense about ther topic alone, and really don't feel like getting involved. Done is done, life moves on, and dogs are still barking.
Dua stole it in the past, it was really sad what he did. But atleast now we know his true colors.
summery = Dua stole scropion harness, Dua owns all of OH in posts, i troll and post random pictues of mike jones, post makes no sense past page 30
More along the lines as:
OP proves Dua stole from them. Dua talks a bunch of bullshit to justify stealing an item worth several million gil. Everyone points out Dua is full of shit and a LAZY, screw-the-pooch, greedy, back-stabbing, prick. Dua admits that yes he is a prick but he stole their SH and hahaha he still got invited into another ls because they don't care he is a thieveing bitch.
OP proves Dua stole from them. Dua talks a bunch of bullshit to justify stealing an item worth several million gil. Everyone points out Dua is full of shit and a LAZY, screw-the-pooch, greedy, back-stabbing, prick. Dua admits that yes he is a prick but he stole their SH and hahaha he still got invited into another ls because they don't care he is a thieveing bitch.
Anderithe said:
And you were the random low level nobody gave a fuck about?
Pretty much. What's your point? Does that somehow make me wrong?
Actually, I've had Genki done for a while now. I'm taking time for my RNG and DRG. Also, made the effort to join GG and have been making a few runs with them. Helping people on proms and such.
Straight to seventy-five with one job was never my path or goal in the game. It doesn't mean a lot really.
Straight to seventy-five with one job was never my path or goal in the game. It doesn't mean a lot really.
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Come on you guys, this thread has to beat 160 pages 4tw...
It's my signature you stupid shit. It's not supposed to mean anything. Furthermore, my opinion on the internet is worth just as much as anyone else's. Isn't that what you say when people point out the afct you contribute nothing but bullshit here?
Okay, that's enough attention Careface. My time is more valuable then to be addressing you for heaven's sake.
Okay, that's enough attention Careface. My time is more valuable then to be addressing you for heaven's sake.
I don't want to skip missions, quests, and events just to level. On the other hand, some of those things I can't do because of this.
My play style in itself is a contradiction. It can't be helped.
THAT is the last post. I just couldn't help but clear that up.
My play style in itself is a contradiction. It can't be helped.
THAT is the last post. I just couldn't help but clear that up.