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lol
You also left out
7. I'm only going to settle for a Commanders cape, which only helps out my SA/TA spike damage, and no way influences my raw damage output from regular melee attacks.
But yeah, judging by Peregrine's logic, theres no reason to ever get an Amemet+1 either, since theres already a +2 STR mantle in the game. The Rank 6 San d'Oria CP cape. You don't even need to be San d'Orian to get it. Just need Rank 6. +50% more CP, and your Nation to be in first place.
7. I'm only going to settle for a Commanders cape, which only helps out my SA/TA spike damage, and no way influences my raw damage output from regular melee attacks.
But yeah, judging by Peregrine's logic, theres no reason to ever get an Amemet+1 either, since theres already a +2 STR mantle in the game. The Rank 6 San d'Oria CP cape. You don't even need to be San d'Orian to get it. Just need Rank 6. +50% more CP, and your Nation to be in first place.
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Decidence: "I'd rather have +1 str no matter what"
Switch to elvaan? :lol: you get way more than 1 str then.
Switch to elvaan? :lol: you get way more than 1 str then.
wolfskymoon said:
Wow, you're on a roll of stupid posts today, server down or something?
Or maybe group therapy did'nt work for you?
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Caerloc said:
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Why buy a forager's when you can sell to morons? Heck you don't even have to use the AH. Just post on the AH forum and these idiots will take it off your hands.
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You are an idiot regardless. No qualifiers.
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+83=+84 when you're talking about signifificant difference, which is what mommy and daddy talk about when you go to bed.
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Again, significance child. Something you have no background in.
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It doesn't all add up. Parser won't show a difference.
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I don't want one. I hit bolts in xp parties with my C skill. I could afford it. I'm not a teen with mommy's credit card though.
Yup.
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That's not a response to what he said. He said nothing of selling it, his point was that you're claiming that if someone gets this back piece, that they're gimping on some other gear. Whether or not they have uber gear in level capped areas isn't the point, and even if it was, someone with that much money would be able to buy lower level gear easier than someone without it.Peregrine said:
Your response to 3, 4 and 5 ignore that if you have multiple pieces with extra STR, they will add up. While 1 difference might not matter that much, something like +5 from wearing multiple pieces that add STR over other gear, you will notice it. A parser will also never notice that +15 ranged attack when I'm wearing an amemet mantle on my monk.
The forager's mantle is the best back piece for any melee that doesn't use ranged attacks. Amemet +1 is not as good, close but not as good, a simple glance at both will tell you that. It doesn't make anyone an idiot for wanting to have the best gear possible, despite what you say. Some people actually want to be the best, and not just "good enough."
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Peregrine said:
Apparently anyone who ever puts a Forager's in their inventory is completely incapable of using gil wisely, so why would you want them to sell something when you just know they'll go spend it on magic beans or whatever else you think people who buy top-of-the-line gear waste their gil on?
"I don't have an answer to this number, so I'll just call you stupid and hope I can ignore the point's validity."
When do people get +83 in any stat? Even at endgame (especially STR wise) most jobs don't go much higher than +30 or so. With insane gear (Black Belt, HQ Cursed gear, Alky Bracelets) I could get about +50 all told, so the ass you pulled +83 out of must be pretty deep.
So why merit point? Ever? You spend all that time for +1 attribute ('insignificant'), +2 combat/magic proficiency (258 = 256, 'insignificant'), Enmity/crit+ (1 point/% each, 'insignificant'), or recast timer reductions (-10 seconds on a 5 minute timer, 'insignificant'.)
It won't, or it doesn't? Because if it 'won't,' that means you haven't parsed anything, have no proof, and are getting dangerously close to just throwing out assumptions as proof to support your argument. Also look at the gear list above. If I were to get full STR gear it would add up to about 20 more STR than I currently use. Would that be enough of a difference for you to stop claiming improved gear can't possibly add up?
I certainly don't care if you want one or not. That's never been a part of my argument. You looking down your nose at people who CAN afford it, CAN consider it the best possible back piece for thier job and decide that +1 STR is worth less of a premium over Amemet +1 as that piece is over NQ Amemet is the problem.
It's not a matter of what you do or don't do. It's a matter of this narcissistic belief you have that anyone not playing this game with The Gospel According to Peregrine is automatically below you and requires shame and ridicule.
Are there bad players who have bought Forager's? Sure, it'd be almost impossible for there not to be. Are there fully functional, wealthy, capable players who have bought Forager's? Also yes. Will Peregrine ever be able to realize that? I'm not sure.
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Peregrine I recommend you stop this argument. It is quite obvious that absolutely noone agrees with you. 2.6mil for a Forager's Mantle is chump change for a lot of people I know. I keep most of my gear (all hq) and can equip my ninja or rng for 40-60 capped fights (mainly for CoP and BCNM). I have almost all my gear for Ninja to 75 already and its only 61. I still farm when I am bored because I enjoy it and am good at it. So tell me how I am unoriginal, lazy, disaccociated, or whatever else you said about anyone who buys a Forager's Mantle. If I have an extra 2.6mil laying around I will buy this soon - that is if I don't BCNM for it, but I am currently doing BCNM40 for a PCC that doesn't seem to want to drop for me. If you accuse me of buying gil then you are even dumber than I am thinking you are.
Another thing - putting a list of names from our server of people you don't know and saying that they are idiots for buying this item...
You know nothing off their situation, wealth, jobs, or anything. It is a good way to make enemies and burn bridges with people that would have possibly helped you or worked with you in the future.
I am known for helping people and asking random people if they want help with quest or whatever - you have currently made the list of people that I will not help. I regret asking you if you wanted to join us for Diabolos that one time because I did not know you were such an opionated, stuckup bitch. I'm glad you couldn't.
Another thing - putting a list of names from our server of people you don't know and saying that they are idiots for buying this item...
You know nothing off their situation, wealth, jobs, or anything. It is a good way to make enemies and burn bridges with people that would have possibly helped you or worked with you in the future.
I am known for helping people and asking random people if they want help with quest or whatever - you have currently made the list of people that I will not help. I regret asking you if you wanted to join us for Diabolos that one time because I did not know you were such an opionated, stuckup bitch. I'm glad you couldn't.
Peregrine said:
Ah, the gilbuyer card. The FFXI Argument Fallacy. An automatic arguement loser as a last resort if I've ever heard one.
Sorry theres people legitimately more successful than you in the game, Peregrine.
If it's that hard for you to picture, you might want to stop playing before you check the wrong person and get heartbroken and distraught over their entire equipment, as opposed to just a mantle.
Oh, and I'm sure those bolts you're landing are helping your DPS out SO MUCH!
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Sell TO them. As in take their gil. Bleed the morons, and feed them insignificance in return. Then balance the world with sensibility. Find something better to improve yourself than +1 str at L71, because there is always something better. People are just too stupid to look.
You all can beg equal treatment all you want, but some of you are more worth of my time than others, and some of your comments aren't. Not my fault. Try harder if you want a serious reply and not a dismissal. Most of you are dismissed. Not worthy of my time, and this is my thread.
When their base is 70, Einstein. The difference between +13 strength and +15 strength isn't 2/13. It's 2/83 when your base is 70. I wouldn't expect forum lackeys to comprehend that. They think they're significant. lol
Bang versus buck. The only bang is in your simple heads, and yet you shell out bucks. Significant bucks. Maybe if you morons didn't drop gil on insignificance I wouldn't point out how naive you all are. lol do you really think you're better than an amemet+1 wearer because of that 1 strength? Honestly, how full of yourselves are you when it all boils down?
It DOESN'T add up. You can't equip 20 more strength than someone else based on +1 whoring. They can easily get +15 with 1/100 of the gil and make your equipment insignificantly better. Anything you can do, they can do equally and for cheaper. If you don't believe me, I'm sorry you wasted your money. It doesn't add up. Now if you want to go ahead and admit that you're just vain and proud of yourself, go ahead and do that now. Your performance is not significantly different because you drop millions for 1 stat up at a time. Admit it or be wrong. I could equip 20 more strength than I currently do too...for about 200k. It's irrelevant, because you have to balance all your stats. You can't whore one and call that an argument.
Look at the thread. I'm not taking you one-on-one. Does me no good to adress someone singly. Now I know I'm good at making it sound like I'm talking to you personally, but take a number here. I couldn't care less if they think it's the best backpiece. Bottom line: It's insignificantly better, and in most cases inferior. I do just fine hitting bolts with my big bad C skill.
Macro in some ranged skill if you can't hit a ranged on the incoming of a pull. Heck, you probably don't even have a ranged attack equipment set to try.
Gimps.
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Skaw said:
35 a hit? Acid bolt that lowers defense? If I hit on the pull then hit on the incoming when I'm at camp and am too far away to melee, that's 70 damage, regardless of how much acid bolting improves my DPS. So yes. Be sure that those bolts I'm landing are helping my DPS out. And yours, because SOMEONE has to improve it. You're certainly not with your strawman mantle.
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and what level a THF were you before you started using bolts again Peregrine? What level were you capped in marks (the easiest weapon to level for that matter) ?
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OH WOW! 70 damage! So 1 punch in my case. :?
How many dagger hits do you think you score during each fight?
Even if +1 STR only added 1 damage a hit, it'd be close to 70 damage, yet it would still be considered "insignificant" why?
Hey Peregrine, if you had the money, you know damn well you'd have every +1 there is. They're something to work towards for everyone. If it weren't for stuff like that, we'd be just copies of ourselves, even more so that we already are.
Oh, and your shitty bolts are only lowering Defense, not Vitality. I'm to the point where VIT down on mobs influences my damage far more than Defense down, so no. Your gimp ass marksmanship isn't doing anything for me.
Say you never use a ranged attack and, with all your other gear that has +attack, and also say you never miss an attack.
There will be +STR on those other pieces ok?
Your attack is maxed with amemit +1.
Trade it for Forager's mantle.
If the +attack capped damage before Forager's, then Forager's is going to show an improvement, the question isn't how much of an improvement there is, there is an improvement for melee, so it's natural for melee to want forager's over amemit, because, if they were to be in these circumstances, it would be the best piece of equipment for them.
You then deflected into, "but there are better things for someone to do with 1.3 mil." This is indeed true, but say that this player is entirely well of, has the best they can have other than this, why not splash out another 1.3 mil if you can afford it.
The reason it goes for more is that there are less opportunities to get this than with the amemit +1. It's not about idiots that buy something that is unnecessary. It's about players that want the best, though of course, the best stats wise is relative to job and race.
There will be +STR on those other pieces ok?
Your attack is maxed with amemit +1.
Trade it for Forager's mantle.
If the +attack capped damage before Forager's, then Forager's is going to show an improvement, the question isn't how much of an improvement there is, there is an improvement for melee, so it's natural for melee to want forager's over amemit, because, if they were to be in these circumstances, it would be the best piece of equipment for them.
You then deflected into, "but there are better things for someone to do with 1.3 mil." This is indeed true, but say that this player is entirely well of, has the best they can have other than this, why not splash out another 1.3 mil if you can afford it.
The reason it goes for more is that there are less opportunities to get this than with the amemit +1. It's not about idiots that buy something that is unnecessary. It's about players that want the best, though of course, the best stats wise is relative to job and race.