Valkyrs

[Firestreak]

Moving forward benefits an LS, period. Moving backwards hurts an LS.

Ex. One member with sky gear leaves, another member replaces him with no sky gear.

LS moves back. Every member is therefore hurt.

Osode drops. One member becomes finished with sky. LS moves forward. Closer you get done to sky, sooner people can stop wasting their time up there. The more time members who already have all their sky gear can spend in other endgame activities.

Why you think Kaizen tries to get people done with sky as opposed to brand new people? Better to stay ahead of the sky curve. The more time you spend in sky, the more people who are done with sky you lose. It's a downward spiral.

 

[Bigboy]

you're assuming there is a drop, and if there is a drop, the recipient uses it for particular job during a ls event which would prove useful/beneficial.

Yeah I guess I did assume you guys weren't fucking retarded and just hand shit out all willy-nilly like. And that the 100% drop on the seal wouldn't be used to get to the Kirin fight later where yet again your LS wouldn't be fucking retarded and just pass shit out to whoever with no thought to how it would benefit people. I suppose it was irrational for me to assume that out of 2 god fights SOMETHING of value to someone would drop and be used effectively.

I suppose you are right though, when it comes to a LS with members like you, a Thieving leader, and a shadowpuppet of a defence, and a general level of indifferece towards anything..... it would be unfair of me to make such assumptions.

 

[Arien]

It has been a long enough time since that Kirin for Firestreak's opinion to change and not make him a hypocrite, but a growing person instead. That amount of time has not yet passed for this theft.

Roflmao. I'm not even going to comment on this statement. Bahahahahahahahahahahaha. Thank you for that post.:thumbsup:

Ok so let me change my arguement.

Are you two in bed together or something? Is this the fucking comedy hour or what?

Fire, you're going in circles again. Must we always go through this? All you do is twist other people's, and your own words until you get what you think is right out of them. It makes no sense man. Give it up.

And no, I didn't benefit anything from that situation. Regardless of what little reason you might come up with that I did, you are wrong. I recieved nothing from the NM in question, or the God that was popped from it. Don't feed me that bullshit that moving people up the quene benefits me. I don't buy it. Been around too long to hear stupid excuses as such.

 

[Kathyr]

Is arien in Valkyrs?

 

[Firestreak]

Roflmao. I'm not even going to comment on this statement. Bahahahahahahahahahahaha. Thank you for that post.:thumbsup:



Are you two in bed together or something? Is this the fucking comedy hour or what?

Fire, you're going in circles again. Must we always go through this? All you do is twist other people's, and your own words until you get what you think is right out of them. It makes no sense man. Give it up.

And no, I didn't benefit anything from that situation. Regardless of what little reason you might come up with that I did, you are wrong. I recieved nothing from the NM in question, or the God that was popped from it. Don't feed me that bullshit that moving people up the quene benefits me. I don't buy it. Been around too long to hear stupid excuses as such.

You're not really making an argument here, Like always you and Yanzi just tag team with your nonsensical logic and suck each other's dicks.

 

[Firestreak]

Is arien in Valkyrs?

Of course. Everyone here trying to shift the focus away from the stealing is in Valkyrs.

 

[Bigboy]

And no, I didn't benefit anything from that situation. Regardless of what little reason you might come up with that I did, you are wrong. I recieved nothing from the NM in question, or the God that was popped from it. Don't feed me that bullshit that moving people up the quene benefits me. I don't buy it. Been around too long to hear stupid excuses as such.

You will, unless you quit the shell right now. You're just too fucking retarded to realize it because the concept of a timeline and sequence of events eludes you. It's ok though, because you've already put up the stonewall.

Regardless of what little reason you might come up with that I did, you are wrong.

Shit like this is why I am glad I'm not in a LS. I don't have to deal with shitheads ruining my reputation because I associate myself with them, and I don't have to listen to people dribble bullshit like this in LS all day. Personally, everyone who has responded to this thread from Valkyrs has made the LS look like a roving pack of retards and assholes. It almost amazes me that they could have once been held in such high reguard at one point. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

 

[Firestreak]

What's a shame is there are so many cool ppl in Valkyrs still like Barbiechic, Marick, Dar, Hyre and Caesar and they gotta get associated with this stuff.

 

[Firestreak]

As I said Yanzi the only way you don't profit is if you have everything in the game you expect to get with the help of Valkyrs. If simply you stay in your LS out of loyalty alone and nothing better to do except repeat sky week after week after week for no gil, then ok, you don't benefit in any way.

But what they did was still wrong. And to defend them still makes you wrong..

 

[Bigboy]

Just to clarify for Yanzi.

Only one person, (aka someone) can wear a peice of equipment.

Everyone (aka the LS) benfits from that someone wearing said peice of equipment.

God you're such a deucheag. I hope Fire's right and someday I will meet a member of Valkyrs that doesn't have their head completely shoved up their ass.

 

[Bigboy]

As I said Yanzi the only way you don't profit is if you have everything in the game you expect to get with the help of Valkyrs. If simply you stay in your LS out of loyalty alone and nothing better to do except repeat sky week after week after week for no gil, then ok, you don't benefit in any way.

Even then he benefits from fights going faster, less people dying, and ultimately just that much more time saved that can be used elsewhere.

 

[Firestreak]

There really are a lot of cool people in Valkyrs. I also am impressed about so many members that continue to farm sky that have been there since the start and stay loyal.

But people who steal are also accepted in, and people who run around with JP HNM shells MPKing over Fafnr are accepted, and the LS seems to take the approach, "If I'm not the one robbed I don't give a shit."

Then the members go nuts over stuff like some HQ synth kept by the crafter of something of Hyre's. Or when someone walks off with a useless af2 body they weren't supposed to lot yet.

It's very hard to watch for me.

 

[6ex 6ex 6ex]

sorry your logic is once again... flawed.

knowing participation is the difference. penut knew what he was doing. and from all this argument, i see that you did, indeed know he was a gil seller. so you let a known gil seller into you linkshell. nice.

LOL how does me being a gil seller have to do with anything about this ZLS loseing a claim in sky and i got sky at lvl 62 how the fuck does that mke me a gil sellr?!?!? fuck selling gil and fuck you u dumb piece of ****** shit

 

[Kathyr]

Ok, wanted to verfiy that before typing anything.

I already voiced my opinion on Valkyr in this matter, I just wanted to clear something up. Bigboy initial stated:

Everyone in the LS profits from having yet another person with slightly better gear to aid them in future fights. Not everyone got paid out or anything, but thats more drops they shouldn't have had and another step closer to kirin they shouldn't be at, which will benefit the LS as a whole even more.

Which was countered with:

you're assuming there is a drop, and if there is a drop, the recipient uses it for particular job during a ls event which would prove useful/beneficial.

And no, I didn't benefit anything from that situation. Regardless of what little reason you might come up with that I did, you are wrong. I recieved nothing from the NM in question, or the God that was popped from it. Don't feed me that bullshit that moving people up the quene benefits me. I don't buy it. Been around too long to hear stupid excuses as such.

Now, I am not in any case trying to draw the attention from this game to World of Warcraft, however, its the best thign I can use as a example for this. Mainly because FF11 progression is a lot slower than WoW progression, so a lot of people in FF11 do not realize how much itemizing and progressing your LS matters.

In WoW, there is a dungeon called Molten Core, this would be the equivalent of sky in FF11. There is also a harder dungeon called Blackwing Lair, which for argument reason I will say is prolly equal to sea.

In WoW, Blackwing Lair is impossible to beat until you have geared up your guild from Molten Core. You can try all you want, but without a level of gear collection from the previous dungeon, you will never be able to beat any bosses in Blackwing Lair. Your damage will be too low, your mp will be too low, your tanks will take too much damage, and no matter how much skill you put into it, you will be overwhelmed. Its just not possible unless you have geared everyone through Molten Core.

However, in WoW, the process of gearing everyone takes about 4 or 5 months, after that you'll be able to start attempting Blackwing Lair with real effort. Maybe even a little less than that. In FF11, you have to be in sky a unrealistically long time in order to achieve this level of itemization. Also, most LS's that do sky really don't even look at sea as a possiblity (on our server anyway) and thus once people have what they need from sky, they leave. Why would they stay? There's nothing more to benefit them there, so, they move to a different shell that has plans to attempt sea. Kaizen maybe, for example.

That being said, what it comes down to is this Arien and Yanzi. If Valkyrs never plans on doing sea, or anything harder than Kirin, and you can already beat Kirin, then yes, you did not profit in any way from the stolen Ulli. However, if Valkyrs actually has plans to do something other than sky in the next 3 years (which I hope it does, cause you're just going to lose members as they reach max gear if it doesn't) then you did profit, because Valkyrs is one step closer to that sea NM.

Hope what I typed at least clears something up.

**This is NOT a post stating WoW > FF11 or something, if you flame me on that I'm going to completely ignore you. Keep the topic on Valkyrs.**

 

[Arien]

It's very hard to watch for me.

Take yourself off the damn pedestal Fire. NOBODY else sees you up there. Do you have any idea how stupid that makes you look? Yea, I didn't figure you did. It's not the first time you don't understand something so simple.

 

[Firestreak]

Take yourself off the damn pedestal Fire. NOBODY else sees you up there. Do you have any idea how stupid that makes you look? Yea, I didn't figure you did. It's not the first time you don't understand something so simple.

I don't have to be high up to look down on you.

 

[Arien]

I don't have to be high up to look down on you.

You standing on Bigboy eh? You enjoy having a fanboy? I'm sure if anybody does it would be you. You need all the confidence backing that you can get. It must get lonely living in narrowminded life of yours. </comfort>

 

[Bigboy]

You standing on Bigboy eh? You enjoy having a fanboy? I'm sure if anybody does it would be you. You need all the confidence backing that you can get. It must get lonely living in narrowminded life of yours. </comfort>

If he were standing on me, you would surely be out of visual range. I do put myself on a pedistal, cuz I know I'm awsome. Thats why I feel the need to relieve myself on litte shits like you that stink up the place. Putting Fire up here with me is one of the truest complements you could give a human being. Unfortunetly for you, the yips of the poodles of war wont reach me up here. Now silence yourself before you ruin your rep even more.

Narrowminded? pshh! Thats the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Firestreak]

Several people over the course of the last 2 flames we argued on supported my position. None of whom were outterheaven members. Several of whom have been BoL members, the BoL incident you having cited both times to attack me and try and draw parralels. The only person who has not called you a dumbass here is Yanzi your LS member, There was another who agreed with you on the previous flame, also an LS member.

Most of these people who see my logic as correct I don't know, I've never met in game. All you have on your side is your butt budy. who's got fanboys? I certainly don't have any fans here, in general on QCDN I find myself playing devil's advocate against the majority opinion. And when I agree with the majority, I don't bother posting because there's no damn point.

 

[Arien]

Sorry kids, the busy part of my workday is coming up so I don't have time to play with you anymore. But I will say this.

Bigboy, your last post was all I needed to know about someone like you. Nice of you to come out and admit such. If you think I'm worried about some "internet rep" or something you have a lot to learn. But we knew that much anyway.

Fire, if you think 1-2 people is a majority you are quite confused my little friend. I'm sure that having 1-2 people agree with you in a day seems like a lot, but it's not. Just trust me on that one.

Have a nice afternoon kids. You two play nice and maybe we can do this again tomorrow. :nyam: