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・ここに書き込んだ時点で私は多くのNAユーザーからウソつき呼ばわりされる事はわかっていました。
また多数のVang擁護の返信がつくのも予想していました。
しかし、私の書いていることは真実であり、疑う余地はありません。
- Tiamat expected that he will get alot of replies indicating Tiamat is a liar. He also expected many would side Vang for this insident aswell. But he is certain that what he is writing is the truth and doesn't have anything to hide.
・Shelは確実にブーツを受け取っておらず、尚且つ、トレードの交渉は成立していません。
また、交渉をもちかけたのはShelではありません。
- Shel is certain that haven't received the boots. Also Trade was never taken place. This whole trading arrangement was not proposed by him/her in the first place.
・履歴を見れば一発でクジャクを売っているのがわかるのに、ばればれのウソをつくような馬鹿ではありません。
しかも、クジャクの履歴を見てtellをしたVangが何故気づかなかったのでしょうか？
これは明らかに不審な点だと思います。
- If you see the AH history, you would see shel has already sold the Peakock charm in the past. He won't use such a stupid lie that could be discovered in moments after you check the AH. (not sure if Vang looked before or after this incident) If vang has looked at the history, why haven't he realised this? This is clearly a suspicious point.
・交渉はVangによる一方的なものであり、成立したと言っているのは一方的な思い込みによるものです。
The trade itself were decided by Vang, and the thing about the deal was made is something that only Vang believes himself.
・その程度のアイテムを垢BANの可能性があるのに持ち逃げする必要があるような人物ではありません。
(I believe this is talking about Shel) Items of such value that has a chance of getting his/her account banned when stealed, Shel is not that kind of person.
・Horihoriに対する態度からも、Vangは日本人をなめていてShelの件も逆恨みによる嫌がらせと認識しています。
Attitude presented towards Horihori, Vang surely looks down towards the JP people and (god I don't think this word actually exists in english) Shel's incident he sees as Vang is just putting his anger towards Shel. (sorry this part honestly I have no clue how to say in english since the critical word "逆恨み" I think it doesn't exist in english)
・またHorihoriの為にShelが盗んだと思っているようですが、それはありえません。
妄想でいい加減な事を書くのは感心しません。
Some people say Shel has stolen the boots for horihori but that is imposible. Tiamat doesn't feel good jotting down stupid things from someone's imagination.
・アメリカも日本も同じ証拠社会であると思います。やった事を証明するのは簡単です。証拠を挙げてください。
逆にShelは何もやっていないのですから、やっていない証拠は提示のしようがありません。
あなたがSSを撮るための機器を持っていないのならばGMを呼び、確かに送ったという事を調べてもらい
その結果を機器を持っている友人に伝えてもらいSSを挙げてはどうでしょうか？
Tiamat believes that both Japan and America are both "Proof society" (ok don't think this word actually exists... it really means that they both needs proof to demonstrate something). It is easy to express and state what you have done. There fore give some proof about this. On the contrary, Shel hasn't done anything so there is nothing Shel can give as a proof. Should you don't have any program that can capture Screen shots, then why not call a GM, to inspect if the item was REALLY sent to Shel, and ask a friend who CAN make Screenshot via program and put it as a proof? (I bet he is talking about fraps)
また多数のVang擁護の返信がつくのも予想していました。
しかし、私の書いていることは真実であり、疑う余地はありません。
- Tiamat expected that he will get alot of replies indicating Tiamat is a liar. He also expected many would side Vang for this insident aswell. But he is certain that what he is writing is the truth and doesn't have anything to hide.
・Shelは確実にブーツを受け取っておらず、尚且つ、トレードの交渉は成立していません。
また、交渉をもちかけたのはShelではありません。
- Shel is certain that haven't received the boots. Also Trade was never taken place. This whole trading arrangement was not proposed by him/her in the first place.
・履歴を見れば一発でクジャクを売っているのがわかるのに、ばればれのウソをつくような馬鹿ではありません。
しかも、クジャクの履歴を見てtellをしたVangが何故気づかなかったのでしょうか？
これは明らかに不審な点だと思います。
- If you see the AH history, you would see shel has already sold the Peakock charm in the past. He won't use such a stupid lie that could be discovered in moments after you check the AH. (not sure if Vang looked before or after this incident) If vang has looked at the history, why haven't he realised this? This is clearly a suspicious point.
・交渉はVangによる一方的なものであり、成立したと言っているのは一方的な思い込みによるものです。
The trade itself were decided by Vang, and the thing about the deal was made is something that only Vang believes himself.
・その程度のアイテムを垢BANの可能性があるのに持ち逃げする必要があるような人物ではありません。
(I believe this is talking about Shel) Items of such value that has a chance of getting his/her account banned when stealed, Shel is not that kind of person.
・Horihoriに対する態度からも、Vangは日本人をなめていてShelの件も逆恨みによる嫌がらせと認識しています。
Attitude presented towards Horihori, Vang surely looks down towards the JP people and (god I don't think this word actually exists in english) Shel's incident he sees as Vang is just putting his anger towards Shel. (sorry this part honestly I have no clue how to say in english since the critical word "逆恨み" I think it doesn't exist in english)
・またHorihoriの為にShelが盗んだと思っているようですが、それはありえません。
妄想でいい加減な事を書くのは感心しません。
Some people say Shel has stolen the boots for horihori but that is imposible. Tiamat doesn't feel good jotting down stupid things from someone's imagination.
・アメリカも日本も同じ証拠社会であると思います。やった事を証明するのは簡単です。証拠を挙げてください。
逆にShelは何もやっていないのですから、やっていない証拠は提示のしようがありません。
あなたがSSを撮るための機器を持っていないのならばGMを呼び、確かに送ったという事を調べてもらい
その結果を機器を持っている友人に伝えてもらいSSを挙げてはどうでしょうか？
Tiamat believes that both Japan and America are both "Proof society" (ok don't think this word actually exists... it really means that they both needs proof to demonstrate something). It is easy to express and state what you have done. There fore give some proof about this. On the contrary, Shel hasn't done anything so there is nothing Shel can give as a proof. Should you don't have any program that can capture Screen shots, then why not call a GM, to inspect if the item was REALLY sent to Shel, and ask a friend who CAN make Screenshot via program and put it as a proof? (I bet he is talking about fraps)
SHEL = LIES LIES LIES LIES god dammit you stupid fuck stop lying to everyone!
He told me he had PCC for his other character when i noticed after i had sent my boots he SOLD his fucking PCC on Shel. I then realized he NEVER had a PCC on Shel YET HE OPENED THE TRADE BOX OUT IN SARAMONGUE CHAMPAIGN LIKE HE DID!! He never even put the PCC in the trade he just sat there and said "Boots?" when he knew i had already sent them. God dammit im not lying, why on gods green earth would he come back ON FOOT in saramongue to meet me at the Port Jeuno entrance and open his trade box to me in the first place?!!!!
He said and I quote when i found this out and told him he had no PCC in the first place.
Ranger ---> Rangers Necklace Ninja -----> Peacock Charm
He NEVER had it to begin with. I remember him on the PCC list and I also remember him on the speed belt list so i knew he was wealthy.
Tiamat look at Price History of Strider Boots and tell me what they last sold for. Since the day i told Horihori 10 mil was my asking price. 2 pair have been sold....1 at 9.1 mil and 1 at 10 mil. If I would have just payed the god damn tax i would not have been cheated out of my boots by your LYING friend. This is insane I cannot believe all this shit he is saying!
I ONLY started in on Hori Hori when i said:
Please forgive me, strider boots, do you need it?
He asked how much?
I told him 10 mil and he came back with that country leave bullshit.
I said 8.5 mil, no lower. and he laughed at me so i called him a racist pig and thats where we left off.
You're buddys are full of shit, and it pains me that they would both act so innocent over this. Your friend is a thief and a liar. I worked hard for those boots and lost them because of his shadyness and my naiveness.
He told me he had PCC for his other character when i noticed after i had sent my boots he SOLD his fucking PCC on Shel. I then realized he NEVER had a PCC on Shel YET HE OPENED THE TRADE BOX OUT IN SARAMONGUE CHAMPAIGN LIKE HE DID!! He never even put the PCC in the trade he just sat there and said "Boots?" when he knew i had already sent them. God dammit im not lying, why on gods green earth would he come back ON FOOT in saramongue to meet me at the Port Jeuno entrance and open his trade box to me in the first place?!!!!
He said and I quote when i found this out and told him he had no PCC in the first place.
Ranger ---> Rangers Necklace Ninja -----> Peacock Charm
He NEVER had it to begin with. I remember him on the PCC list and I also remember him on the speed belt list so i knew he was wealthy.
Tiamat look at Price History of Strider Boots and tell me what they last sold for. Since the day i told Horihori 10 mil was my asking price. 2 pair have been sold....1 at 9.1 mil and 1 at 10 mil. If I would have just payed the god damn tax i would not have been cheated out of my boots by your LYING friend. This is insane I cannot believe all this shit he is saying!
I ONLY started in on Hori Hori when i said:
Please forgive me, strider boots, do you need it?
He asked how much?
I told him 10 mil and he came back with that country leave bullshit.
I said 8.5 mil, no lower. and he laughed at me so i called him a racist pig and thats where we left off.
You're buddys are full of shit, and it pains me that they would both act so innocent over this. Your friend is a thief and a liar. I worked hard for those boots and lost them because of his shadyness and my naiveness.
oops.sorry
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10Mgil is I heared to Shel 10.000.000 gil
英語は読めますが書けないんですよねぇ・・・
それとちょっと理解できない状態になってるんですが
何故こいつはHorihoriにまで嫌がらせをくりかえしているのでしょうか。
Savingwayというキャラクタより何故かHorihoriにShelの事で嫌がらせのtellがいっています。
今後同じことがあるようでしたら、こちらも態度を改めるべきかと思いますので
Shiaさんから聞いてみていただけますか？
尚、Vangからの倫理的な説明が無い場合、話しはここまでですね
周囲にまで嫌がらせをするような頭のおかしい人とこれ以上話すことはありませんしね
当事者同士でなく知り合い関係にまで被害を及ぼすというのならば、
こちらもそれなりの対応をする必要があると思います
ここまで私は話し合いで解決する努力をしてきました。
しかし、それがVangの一方的な思い込み、妄想、周囲からの煽りにより失敗に終わろうとしています
周囲からまともな言葉をかけてもらえることもありましたが、多くのものがVangの話しを鵜呑みにし、
こちらの主張は全て嘘であると決め付けるものでした
あからさまな罵倒をしている人物もいましたね
my miss
1Mgil ×
10Mgil is I heared to Shel 10.000.000 gil
英語は読めますが書けないんですよねぇ・・・
それとちょっと理解できない状態になってるんですが
何故こいつはHorihoriにまで嫌がらせをくりかえしているのでしょうか。
Savingwayというキャラクタより何故かHorihoriにShelの事で嫌がらせのtellがいっています。
今後同じことがあるようでしたら、こちらも態度を改めるべきかと思いますので
Shiaさんから聞いてみていただけますか？
尚、Vangからの倫理的な説明が無い場合、話しはここまでですね
周囲にまで嫌がらせをするような頭のおかしい人とこれ以上話すことはありませんしね
当事者同士でなく知り合い関係にまで被害を及ぼすというのならば、
こちらもそれなりの対応をする必要があると思います
ここまで私は話し合いで解決する努力をしてきました。
しかし、それがVangの一方的な思い込み、妄想、周囲からの煽りにより失敗に終わろうとしています
周囲からまともな言葉をかけてもらえることもありましたが、多くのものがVangの話しを鵜呑みにし、
こちらの主張は全て嘘であると決め付けるものでした
あからさまな罵倒をしている人物もいましたね
逆恨み=unfair resentment caused by misunderstanding or more simply put prejudice.
Taimatさん、よろしくお願いします。あたしは日本語が下手ですから、ごめんなさい。でも、Taimatさんの英語のポーストはおもしろいです。アメリカ人対日本人の事は本当に熱狂の事ですね。そして、それは一度の時に私が日本人の見地が読みました。だから、あたしはあたしの見地が説明したい。
Taimatさんの基本的な前提は真実性がありますが、それはもう一つ面(←この単語は正しくないかな>_<) です。日本人はアメリカ人とわるい経験がありますが、逆も本当です。私のレベル十の時(二千三年の十一月ぐらい)、あたしはロマー字で日本人とパーティに誘いました。この人は断りました。そして、あたしとミスをして、このテルは「あー 今、馬鹿な外人は説明をしましたw 外人のPTは死ですなぁ」でした。私たちは一か月より少ないにゲームがありましたが、このレトリックはもうありました。だから、たくさんアメリカ人は嫌いと思いましたね。
それはひどいアメリカ人で、それはもひどい日本人です。Taimatさんは「日本人はやさしいアメリカ人が区別できない」を言いましたね。アメリカ人もこの問題があります。それは数人が他の国籍が無視して、数人が他の国籍が受け取っています。この事は皆さんが伴います。そして、たいてい、日本人は初めの攻撃をしました。じゃーそれは私の意見だげですね。でも、この意見は経験にもとずくよ。
あたしはたくさん日本人の友達がありますね。そして、逆恨みじゃないが、たhdさ思います。皆さんは信頼が敗れたですよね。いやですね (;´_ヘ
オォー そして、シャウトの事に~ たくさんアメリカ人もSpamの事がきらいですよ。問題は一般化ですかな。全部アメリカ人はシャウトをしなくて、逆恨みじゃなくて、下手じゃないです。そして、全部の日本人はアメリカ人がからいじゃないね。でも、もし日本人は区別をするの事がいやで、たくさんアメリカ人も区別をしません。友情は二つの団体に頼る。そして、アメリカ人はあまり「{英語}ONLY」をいいましたね。ふむふむ、もし私のメモのいみが分からない、ごめんなさいね。私はとても下手ですね。でも、Taimatさんは英語で書きましたから、私は日本語でコミュニケートするのが試みました。
Taimatさん、よろしくお願いします。あたしは日本語が下手ですから、ごめんなさい。でも、Taimatさんの英語のポーストはおもしろいです。アメリカ人対日本人の事は本当に熱狂の事ですね。そして、それは一度の時に私が日本人の見地が読みました。だから、あたしはあたしの見地が説明したい。
Taimatさんの基本的な前提は真実性がありますが、それはもう一つ面(←この単語は正しくないかな>_<) です。日本人はアメリカ人とわるい経験がありますが、逆も本当です。私のレベル十の時(二千三年の十一月ぐらい)、あたしはロマー字で日本人とパーティに誘いました。この人は断りました。そして、あたしとミスをして、このテルは「あー 今、馬鹿な外人は説明をしましたw 外人のPTは死ですなぁ」でした。私たちは一か月より少ないにゲームがありましたが、このレトリックはもうありました。だから、たくさんアメリカ人は嫌いと思いましたね。
それはひどいアメリカ人で、それはもひどい日本人です。Taimatさんは「日本人はやさしいアメリカ人が区別できない」を言いましたね。アメリカ人もこの問題があります。それは数人が他の国籍が無視して、数人が他の国籍が受け取っています。この事は皆さんが伴います。そして、たいてい、日本人は初めの攻撃をしました。じゃーそれは私の意見だげですね。でも、この意見は経験にもとずくよ。
あたしはたくさん日本人の友達がありますね。そして、逆恨みじゃないが、たhdさ思います。皆さんは信頼が敗れたですよね。いやですね (;´_ヘ
オォー そして、シャウトの事に~ たくさんアメリカ人もSpamの事がきらいですよ。問題は一般化ですかな。全部アメリカ人はシャウトをしなくて、逆恨みじゃなくて、下手じゃないです。そして、全部の日本人はアメリカ人がからいじゃないね。でも、もし日本人は区別をするの事がいやで、たくさんアメリカ人も区別をしません。友情は二つの団体に頼る。そして、アメリカ人はあまり「{英語}ONLY」をいいましたね。ふむふむ、もし私のメモのいみが分からない、ごめんなさいね。私はとても下手ですね。でも、Taimatさんは英語で書きましたから、私は日本語でコミュニケートするのが試みました。
事実かどうかは知りませんが、現に彼は何者かにブ－ツを送ったそうです。確かにＧＭを呼び、実際にブ－ツが送られたのか調べればすむかと思いますが。現実的に考えてそれが一番の証拠になるでしょう。もしあらかじめ彼が別の人に送ったのなら確かに彼が怒る態度も分かります、同時にＳｈｅｌ氏もナに言ってるのか分からないというのも飲めます。証拠のＳＳがない限り私からは何もいえませんし言うべきではないでしょう。
ＧＭの無能さは確かに時にはあきれる事もありますが、もしこちらからその事について調べてもらえるのだったらそれをするように進めるのが一番でしょう。Ｈｏｒｉｈｏｒｉ氏に対しての嫌がらせは分かりません。執念深いのは恐らくこの事件のことからでしょうね。今のところは何を言っても聞かない状態だと思います。少なくとも冷静にはなれないでしょう。ＳＳがないのでは、ＧＭの手助けが必要と思います。まともに聞いてくれればの話しですが・・・
ＧＭの無能さは確かに時にはあきれる事もありますが、もしこちらからその事について調べてもらえるのだったらそれをするように進めるのが一番でしょう。Ｈｏｒｉｈｏｒｉ氏に対しての嫌がらせは分かりません。執念深いのは恐らくこの事件のことからでしょうね。今のところは何を言っても聞かない状態だと思います。少なくとも冷静にはなれないでしょう。ＳＳがないのでは、ＧＭの手助けが必要と思います。まともに聞いてくれればの話しですが・・・
Although there is a certain part which are a bit odd, most of the things I could understand. What I suggest and suggested Tiamat is to rely on a GM. Yes I understand sometimes of their uselessness and their unwillingness on cooperation but there is nothing we can do about without a screenshot. It is to ask a GM to track down the Strider boots which Vang sent. Stating the exact date, time (if possible), and to who it was sent. THEN if Vang has a PC someone lend him or try the trial version of Fraps and take a screen shot of GMs speech. If the recipient really is Shel him/herself, then we can assure Vang is not a liar, and we know who to blame. At the same time It may be possible for a GM to take further actions. If Vang did NOT send the boots to him, then its another matter.
In any case, these things cannot be done by ourselves and must leave to the GM. Wether you like it or not, if both sides sais completely different thing without giving any proof then there is no telling. I will only post the replies that tiamat san writes in JP into english so that everyone can get how Shel is saying.
In any case, these things cannot be done by ourselves and must leave to the GM. Wether you like it or not, if both sides sais completely different thing without giving any proof then there is no telling. I will only post the replies that tiamat san writes in JP into english so that everyone can get how Shel is saying.
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Asahina also talks english, i have chattd with Asahina many times, i am in one of her ls (JeanneDaArc) :0 VERY nice person, same with many other JPs
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yes i know she is in that ls which the ls leader is Serise. but do you know that she was once a hnm ls leader? and why her hnm ls is gone now? my ls friend was once invited to her hnm ls and she told me she was the one who cheated money after that. for example, like speed belt money. she still owe my friend like 600,000 gil.
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Regarding about this topic.
I do not trust anyone till I see the real proof.
Meaning, the chat history.
Without proof, this argument is pointless.
JP supporting JP and the NA supporting the NA
There is no conclusion.
PPL like me tend to laugh at how silly ppl can be like Roofie heating up the flameboard... :lol:
If Vang is actually the victim then it was stupid of you to actually send such expensive item to a person who you never know or chat before, a mere stranger. A hard lesson to learn
If Vand is the culprit, lying to start a war against the ENGLISH SPEAKING players and the JP, well looks like you are doing a good job lol!
I do not trust anyone till I see the real proof.
Meaning, the chat history.
Without proof, this argument is pointless.
JP supporting JP and the NA supporting the NA
There is no conclusion.
PPL like me tend to laugh at how silly ppl can be like Roofie heating up the flameboard... :lol:
If Vang is actually the victim then it was stupid of you to actually send such expensive item to a person who you never know or chat before, a mere stranger. A hard lesson to learn
If Vand is the culprit, lying to start a war against the ENGLISH SPEAKING players and the JP, well looks like you are doing a good job lol!
Shia said:
Well, if we had something more then a translator peading someone else's case, like SCREENSHOTS!!!!! Maybe we would not have to resort only ot deduction (not imagination, impression, deduction!)
Up to this point, I was trying to look at this with a cold head and try to see if I could spot any flaws, to see who was lying, who was telling the truth.
Being called stupid, now that just does not help your case.
/ em turns his tongue even time
Not gonna add anything.......
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I would like to thank Tiamat, though, for reaching out to the English speaking community to explore this issue.
Secondly, not many people are realising this, but Tiamat is taking time to write some of his views english such that we can understand him, knowing that it takes some time for him to actually express himself in what is a foreign language to him. (Pratice never hurts though, it's the way to learn.)
Shiia, you rock for translating fo the rest of us that have not learned this language.
I would like to express my grattitude to both of you. Arigato!
Secondly, not many people are realising this, but Tiamat is taking time to write some of his views english such that we can understand him, knowing that it takes some time for him to actually express himself in what is a foreign language to him. (Pratice never hurts though, it's the way to learn.)
Shiia, you rock for translating fo the rest of us that have not learned this language.
I would like to express my grattitude to both of you. Arigato!
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Oh and someone has to by lying, they need screens to back up their stories.
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I dont know about all this but.Yesterday i was leveling crossbow in raunfer and this level 50 whm ran twowards the sheep i aimed and and started clubbing it and then switched target and started clubbing the other one also and sent me /tell fck u.Now that pissed me off but lol i voked one of the cows and the cow started hitting the shit off from Canacomba or canomba w/e.SO he started spamming leave leave leave in tabs and then started typign in jp and i didnt even know him or anything.But then lol i started talking back....and he kept saying leave leave. He ended up zoning and i was tired so i logged.So i guess he was friend of horihori and was pissed at NA players... but that was a new experience.Or i dunno that might me the jp way of getting rid of jaggedy ear jack campers... even though i wasnt camping it.
alanon said:
LMAO!!! That post hurt to read. And has absolutely nothing to do with the point of this thread, although I'm not surprised.
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wolfskymoon said:
Its a Gil Seller, they do that to me when I'm farming Sheep in the Highlands.
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k thanks for telling me that.Next time i wont leave but range teh whole damn raunfer.How dare a gil seller told me to leave an area..... :evil:
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