Witch hunt time

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K. Ishitar said:
so does the thread, glad i clicked it
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Definitely an entertaining thread. Now all we need to do is wait for his annoying butt buddy Javir to come in and pretend to act neutral and agree with Dejavu anyways. Then this thread will be complete.
 
The thread was complete as soon as your sig entered the visual part of my brain Miros.
 
Dejavu said:
Ok lets see if i can explain this any better...

There are 2 sides to every transaction... they buyer and the seller

The seller i dont care about because they are using what they made ingame to make their real life experience better. This goes from the gil for rice folks to the Sanoske type. I dont fault them for trying to make money off of other people's stupidity.

The buyer on the other hand is trying to achieve status within the community through trading RL money for in game stuff. These people should be discovered and chased away because we dont want those types of people in the game.. you know the type that absolution attracts who have no morals and will do anything to get ahead in the game.

Now i understand that the seller cannot exist without the buyer but if the buyers would go away the value for selling would be so minuscule that the sellers would stop all together.

So i maintain i don't care if people sell and profit off of others stupidity but... buyers need to be made an example of.
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You do realize that the buyer would not be able achieve that status had you not put your item up for bids, making you the same as him. Btw way Excim the drug metaphor was spot on correct, plus we all know ffxi is a drug;) and tisk tisk at the low blow.
 
Dejavu said:
This goes from the gil for rice folks to the Sanoske type. I dont fault them for trying to make money off of other people's stupidity.
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Well hay there guys.

This is the same old arguement that people went over in my flame. (And a few flames since then, I'm sure) The people who didn't like it back then, still don't like it now. And the people who didn't give a crap.... still don't give a crap.

At this point the only way someone is going to change their mind on the subject is if they quit, or get "hacked". Then they might not care so much or start caring a bit more, as the situation requires.

I'm really not sure why people continue to rehash this argument when all the points made are exactly the same. Yes, the situation may change slightly, but the same thoughts are coming from the same people.
 
Sanoske said:
Well hay there guys.

This is the same old arguement that people went over in my flame. (And a few flames since then, I'm sure) The people who didn't like it back then, still don't like it now. And the people who didn't give a crap.... still don't give a crap.

At this point the only way someone is going to change their mind on the subject is if they quit, or get "hacked". Then they might not care so much or start caring a bit more, as the situation requires.

I'm really not sure why people continue to rehash this argument when all the points made are exactly the same. Yes, the situation may change slightly, but the same thoughts are coming from the same people.
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Well technically this not same argument. The argument here seem to be is the buyer as in same fault as the seller or is it hypocritical to burn the buyer yet be a seller.
 
Sanoske said:
Well hay there guys.

This is the same old arguement that people went over in my flame. (And a few flames since then, I'm sure) The people who didn't like it back then, still don't like it now. And the people who didn't give a crap.... still don't give a crap.

At this point the only way someone is going to change their mind on the subject is if they quit, or get "hacked". Then they might not care so much or start caring a bit more, as the situation requires.

I'm really not sure why people continue to rehash this argument when all the points made are exactly the same. Yes, the situation may change slightly, but the same thoughts are coming from the same people.
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Yeah I don't think it's the same argument. I have no problem with anyone selling their account because it doesn't effect me in anyway. Of course there's people who feel a different way and I respect them on their opinion. This flame is about how Dejavu is say that he does not agree with people buying items, gil, or accounts yet plans on selling his account when quits. I'm sure when you sold your account, you weren't against the person buying your account because that would just be stupid.
 
hellstorm said:
You do realize that the buyer would not be able achieve that status had you not put your item up for bids, making you the same as him. Btw way Excim the drug metaphor was spot on correct, plus we all know ffxi is a drug;) and tisk tisk at the low blow.
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Actually the drug argument kinda works for me as well... i don't think that drug dealers should be arrested they are just profiting off of a service that is requested. It is the drug users that are the problem.
 
Dejavu said:
Actually the drug argument kinda works for me as well... i don't think that drug dealers should be arrested they are just profiting off of a service that is requested. It is the drug users that are the problem.
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As usual, skips all the other posts with other arguments.

Right, Drug Dealers hands are clean. How about when they get 1 pill and make 5 out of them, thus mixing 5 pills with random shit to fill it up, thus creating a drug that can kill someone, someone who thinks theyre getting a real ectasty pill? Theyre hands are totally clean.

Your a fucking idiot.
 
All I'm gonna say that I can sorta kinda see where Dejavu is coming from about the buyer/seller thing but I don't completely agree with it.

I think the buyer is indeed worse than the seller. But neither is "morally correct", whatever that means.

At the same time I'm not gonna be angry with someone who leaves the game and sells their account. That is there choice to make. But if I was still playing the game I sure as hell wouldn't wanna play with someone who had bought their account because they would be a terrible player among other things.
 
Airou said:
As usual, skips all the other posts with other arguments.

Right, Drug Dealers hands are clean. How about when they get 1 pill and make 5 out of them, thus mixing 5 pills with random shit to fill it up, thus creating a drug that can kill someone, someone who thinks theyre getting a real ectasty pill? Theyre hands are totally clean.

Your a fucking idiot.
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please list which points im missing i will answer all of them... if you want to be lazy even just list post numbers.

Fraud is different when your cutting the drugs and making bullshit out of it you are defrauding your customer and hell if you do drugs with any regularity i guarantee you know who you can buy from without having to worry about the quality.
 
If there are no sellers there will certainly be no buyers. This is why SE and a lot of other companies fail, they can't control the blackmarket behind mmos.
 
Um.. The sellers and the buyers are both douchey. Making money off other's stupidity isn't a reason to completely ignore the fact that you're fueling the thing you hate.. That's just ridiculous.

But back on topic and such... I wonder who the hell would buy a kraken club for $800. How much do Kraken Clubs sell for in game? Is it still 40m? It'd be cheaper to buy gil from the various "bro" rmt for 19.00/m.. I think that's what it said last time I got a tell from them. If it were me(Which it's not, b/c I don't rmt..nor do I have a kclub lol), I'd sell the kclub for 800 dollars.. buy gil for $19.00/m, and then buy a new kclub in game and profit. People are always selling them. So this guy IS, in fact dumb. So maybe there should be a witch hunt?

I guess my question is, in general.. why is it so hard for people to make gil in game?
 
Dejavu said:
please list which points im missing i will answer all of them... if you want to be lazy even just list post numbers.

Fraud is different when your cutting the drugs and making bullshit out of it you are defrauding your customer and hell if you do drugs with any regularity i guarantee you know who you can buy from without having to worry about the quality.
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When u make a reply in your defense and quote just one post of the numerous that have been made before your previous post, its obvious you skip over what u dont want to address.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING as a pure drug anymore, dealing is a business. You think dealers care about who they sell to? No, they care about maximizing profit, and to do that they split drugs and commit what u call "Fraud". How can u call them frauds then say they shouldnt be punished?

You dont even have to answer that as its off topic, but really man just the fuck up and quit posting.
 
This is a really cool ffxi related Flame Board topic about drugs.
 
I'm not sure how to quote here so pardon my ignorance.

Dejavu says here: The buyer on the other hand is trying to achieve status within the community through trading RL money for in game stuff.

This is an assumption made about the buyer. Maybe the buyer intends to sell it for a higher price? Maybe the buyer just wants to play by themself?

I don't play anymore so I don't support any particular opinion. However making assumptions doesn't support your point Dejavu.
 
Airou said:
When u make a reply in your defense and quote just one post of the numerous that have been made before your previous post, its obvious you skip over what u dont want to address.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING as a pure drug anymore, dealing is a business. You think dealers care about who they sell to? No, they care about maximizing profit, and to do that they split drugs and commit what u call "Fraud". How can u call them frauds then say they shouldnt be punished?

You dont even have to answer that as its off topic, but really man just the fuck up and quit posting.
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So first you say i skipped posts that needed to be answered...

I asked which ones... i am still curious as to which ones i do not want to address.

Now i just need to stop posting... i confused

As for the drug tangent... your an idiot, back when i used to smoke i bought from the same person most of the time because he consistently gave me the highest quality for a reasonable price. Quality does count for something even in the drug dealing business. Also there were certain people who i would never buy from because their stuff sucked.
 
Slacar09 said:
I'm not sure how to quote here so pardon my ignorance.

Dejavu says here: The buyer on the other hand is trying to achieve status within the community through trading RL money for in game stuff.

This is an assumption made about the buyer. Maybe the buyer intends to sell it for a higher price? Maybe the buyer just wants to play by themself?

I don't play anymore so I don't support any particular opinion. However making assumptions doesn't support your point Dejavu.
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Maybe your right about the person just reselling it for profit and truthfully if that is what they are doing... then more power to them i doubt they would care if they were publicly named anyways. They are just making even more money off the stupidity of the next person... much the same way as the stock market works. If the buyer just wants to play by themselves then i still think that they should be named publicly but hell if they are playing solo then once again i doubt they would care.

Most people who buy via RMT want others to believe that they are successful in this game and those are the people who may be encouraged to quit if they are found to be buyers and most people here agree those types of people should go.

I guess my issue is less with the act of RMT itself and more with the idea that if someone does engage in RMT it is the responsibility of the community involved to reject the person trying to buy their way in.

Lets change the topic here from illegal drugs to currently legal ones so that the argument about "pure drugs" is more or less a moot point. Cigarettes are currently legal. Camel sells em... Idiots buy them...

Now is camel responsible for making people smoke or do people willingly put the sticks in their mouths. Blah blah advertising and such but camel never held anyone down and forced them to smoke... it was a two way agreement. If people didn't want to smoke camel would not exist. Camel is just a business. People who smoke are the problem.

(before anyone brings it up i am not actually for telling people they are not allowed to smoke by using the law. It is not my responsibility to govern other peoples bad choices. But that does not mean that i have to live with their choices... i ditched my last girlfriend because i found out that she started smoking again and i didn't want to have any part of it. Much the same as if i discovered someone in one of my shells was buying gil it would be my choice to kick them as they do not conform to my standards as the shell leader.)
 
Selling your account is like telling all your friends their friendship is for sale.


And buying Kraken Clubs is bad.
 
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