Bleach Manga Storyline discussion. (Contains spoilers)

[Uzor]

Yes, I know. It was a response to the guy I quoted. It wasn't a "I'm not sure, but I think.". It was more of a "I'm rather sure"

 

[Bajaratt]

Yes, I know. It was a response to the guy I quoted. It wasn't a "I'm not sure, but I think.". It was more of a "I'm rather sure"

I know, I was agreeing with you.

 

[Hitaru]

i don't think yachiru is his sword...she has her own one etc, and when kubo got interviewed he said they were going to do a story about these two in the manga some time

 

[Uzor]

haven't they done that already? When Kenpachi first met Yachiru?

 

[Bajaratt]

haven't they done that already? When Kenpachi first met Yachiru?

No, all they've done is a really short flashback showing when they first met.

 

[K. Ishitar]

I've had this theory lately... It's totally insane and probably has no chance of being true, but it's still kinda funny.

What if Yachiru is Kenpachi's sword?

That's pretty interesting to think about, if it was true then Yachiru sure didn't give Zaraki a hand he fought Ichigo, but then again Zangetsu remarks that "He cannot hear the scream of his own sword; he fights only alone with his own spiritual pressure" which could be the reason why Yachiru didn't help, she was also very pissed when the messenger came to disturb her about Aizen's death. She's always studying Zaraki and met him during the beginning of his stay in Soul Society

She could be waiting for something as she's always present at every fight that Zaraki partakes in.

Now for my own little crackpot theory I thought of yesterday. . .

Does the 'mastered' form of Hollow have another purpose in the story?

Was it just a plot hole, simply a power boost by Kubo, or because of previous circumstances?

Was Ichigo's expected arrival part of Aizen's plan to manipulate him with the Hogoyouku into being a true hybrid(due to potential) as well as killing and becoming god?

My cause and effect correlations...

Spoiler:

Back during the fight between Ichigo and Grimjoww, Grim remarks that Ichigo has increased the duration of his hollow from...

"Did you actively train to make it better in a small amount of time or did it subconciously become longer?"

I think the reason for this was because of Ulqiuorra's fight with Ichigo, shortly after enduring the power of Ichigo, Ulquiourra punctures Ichigo's chest, the same spot where Ulquiourra's empty space is...and is left to die or was he?

Later Grim grabs Orihime and they come to Ichigo, Grim orders Orihime to heal it and she does, however...

"There is a deep power within Kurosaki-kun...I can't reject it..."

Which leads to the deep power being two or the same thing(s)

1. The hole in Ichigo

2. His ability to call his Hollow mask

I believe that they're both linked and that the hole in Ichigo made by Ulquiorra was put there purposely to increase Ichigo's Hollow duration.

Now Grim says when he sees that mark before Orihime heals him that...

"The fool may not have realized it but, that's Ulquiorra's mark all-right, he does that to mark his prey he takes interest in."

That statement would imply that Ichigo was meant to be alive, if he could endure the pain, the hole itself would see to be a enzyme to break down his body and mobilize it towards being a true hollow. Ichigo did sudue(not kill) his hollow and he can't because it's a part of his own spiritual pressure.

Also forgot, we never see Ichigo's bare chest during his fight with Grim, so it can't be confirmed whether it was gone or not.

Aizen expects them as well when they enter Hueco Mundo, maybe he plans to use the Hogoyoukou to make Ichigo the true hybrid?

Sorry, yeah it's a bit long but I like to think about stuff like this=)

 

[Neisan]

Nah, she has her own sword. You see it for like 5 seconds when she carries Zaraki away in the anime.

As for the spoiler...

Spoiler:

Orihime's power rejects everything within it returning it to it's original state correct? Well, Ichigo's original state would be that of a normal human with Spritual power, the 'Hollow' half is what I would consider similar to a 'virus', but because it's so intricately linked with Ichigo it can't be removed.

 

[K. Ishitar]

I don't think it neccesarily matters that Yachiru has her own sword, in fact I think it matters more the more I think about it...

Yachiru's sword and Zaraki's sword could be two parts of the same...

And yes, that's why I'm inclined to believe the hole furthered the transformation and will be broken down overtime, bringing back Ichigo to fight his hollow again.

Now Orihime's power does take everything back to its original form, the reason it can't do that with Ichigo's hollow because it's not a virus it's a part of his natural spiritual pressure, anything done to further increase it will not be rejected as well because it could be part of the transformation(assuming what I'm saying is correct).

I only spoilered it because it was too long=P

 

[Hitaru]

nah, i think if yachiru was his zanpaktou, the like everyone elses, no one else could possibly see her. in the anime and manga both when Ichigo is fighting zaraki and Zangetsu appears like beside zaraki he doesn't notice it..

this makes me think yachiru is yachiru and not his blade.

On another note, why do you have the 4/5 prayers in your sub name! and why can't i rate you up for them ¬¬

 

[K. Ishitar]

Correct, but Renji sees Zangetsu while Ichigo fights him to achieve bankai and Ichigo sees Zabimaru's true form...

Like said earlier Zaraki can't hear the calls of the zanpaktou^ it makes sense that he can't see them as well or he'd find his own.

Shikai comes when you come in contact with your zanpaktou^'s avatar

Bankai comes when you subdue your zanpaktou^'s avatar

And also >_>;

There isn't room for the other prayer in the title area, I didn't think anyone would catch that! r8^ for you!

 

[Hitaru]

Correct, but Renji sees Zangetsu while Ichigo fights him to achieve bankai and Ichigo sees Zabimaru's true form...

Like said earlier Zaraki can't hear the calls of the zanpaktou^ it makes sense that he can't see them as well or he'd find his own.

Shikai comes when you come in contact with your zanpaktou^'s avatar

Bankai comes when you subdue your zanpaktou^'s avatar

And also >_>;

There isn't room for the other prayer in the title area, I didn't think anyone would catch that! r8^ for you!

you have a good theory, but i still think kubo would have made Yachiru atleast try and say HEY! I AM ( ) summon me already, and then kenpachi be like um...whats your name?

shikai comes from coming in contact, but he has been in contact with her for a while, and the only time they are apart is at captains meetings (so i have seen/read) and i think yachiru would only want ken to get stronger anyway.

and also

i have never met another muslim in game

 

[Neisan]

Renji could see it in that one instance since Yuruichi had used Urahara's method of physically manifesting the sword to achieve bankai. Renji said he had achieved physical manifestation of his sword on his own, so I so I doubt he could have seen Zangetsu any other time. I just find it incredibly odd he'd have a sword with a part of the sword holding a part of the sword... He says he found Yachiru anyways while referring to a flashback (Which is also when he took up the name Zaraki).

 

[Uzor]

Renji could see it in that one instance since Yuruichi had used Urahara's method of physically manifesting the sword to achieve bankai. Renji said he had achieved physical manifestation of his sword on his own, so I so I doubt he could have seen Zangetsu any other time. I just find it incredibly odd he'd have a sword with a part of the sword holding a part of the sword... He says he found Yachiru anyways while referring to a flashback (Which is also when he took up the name Zaraki).

Well, Zangetsu do hold a sword... Well, the hollow one anyway.

And Hitaru, Dayner and Mrdvb are muslims as well

 

[Dayner]

follow muslim didnt notes the camel ....

 

[Tymon]

follow muslim didnt notes the camel ....

Spiderman?

Fuck! You gave him away!

:rtfm:

 

[Hitaru]

you have to remember, that although Hollow ichigo/Zangetsu had a version of Zangetsu is because Ichigo was weaker than him. i need to organise my manga lol, i will post it.

coz if you remember when ichigo is stabbed by hollow I, he retakes control and takes the hollows sword and makes it his own.

 

[K. Ishitar]

Well, Zangetsu do hold a sword... Well, the hollow one anyway.

And Hitaru, Dayner and Mrdvb are muslims as well

Something also to add

During the bankai training with Zangetsu, he breaks the swords Ichigo uses to fight him.


"Every time you use the wrong sword, it breaks; this is a part of your spirit relying on me to protect you."

It isn't until later that Ichigo realizes that he is the sword and unleashes Getsuga Tenshou, just as Ichigo's fight with his hollow that He is the power.

This is one of the things I like about Bleach, it shows the inner workings of the spirit and manfests them according to Kubo's imagination, it's a bit odd at first but it starts to make sense.

The bankai training was difficult because Zangestu was breaking the swords Ichigo was using(or his spirit) in hopes of him attaining bankai.

As with Renji, we never really see their spirits unless they were training to achieve bankai and we've only see Ichigo's and Renji's. They don't show and don't need to unless their owner is doing something wrong like Ichigo getting trashed by Zaraki or Renji losing to Ichigo.

Ta fa Ashababa

 

[K. Ishitar]

spoilering because of semi early release, another jojohot brand release this time from bleach7...I just looked at the raw

Spoiler:

battle is getting serious, zaraki isn't even phazed after getting stabbed by Nnoitra and comes back with his own blows...

Nnoitra seems to be still pushed to the edge and charges Zaraki, Zaraki has a brief convo with Yachiru(hmm...maybe Raes theory is possible, judging from the expressions I'm not sure). Anyways, Zaraki holds his zanpakto^ with both of his hands and I looked at the text closely

X, X x
X, X x
X, X x
X, X x

Now to me that means that Zaraki is finally releasing his zanpakto^, the two large Xs(pretending these are JP letters) would imply this, whenver we see a sword release for a first time it's the swords name and the literal translation, of course with JP it's up and down.

ie

Senbonzakura Kageyoshi

(1000 Cherry Blossoms, Brutal Shadows)

I'm not sure if it was a regular release or a bankai release since JP characters get rather long in saying simple things, I'd guess shikai first

 

[Bajaratt]

He's not releasing his zanpaktou, he's using Kendo. The discussion brings up one important detail that is very, very easy to overlook about Kenpachi so far. That as strong as he is, he's been using his sword with only one hand. Looks like he doesn't even need to release anything, he just has to start trying.

http://img7.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/00000311/18-19.jpg

The last one is a URL so it doesn't break the boards.

 

[Uzor]

hah, that's awesome