Everyone has a Peacock Charm.

Phraust said:
Raivyn said:
That was supposed to say:

I agree completely, although adding in attk when it does not sacrifice acc doesn't hurt. Priority number one in your standard party is TP gain to facilitate skillchain. No question about that.
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The problem is this:

You don't have a lot of shared accuracy/attack slots:

Body, Neck, Back, and Waste.

In my Accuracy/Attack mode I got 62 Accuracy, and 50 Attack before Food. I hit between 20-30 damage on normal hits. With Sole Sushi. With Chief Kabobs, I hit between 23-35 damage. Where the difference in Attack is not all that great, the difference in accuracy is.

100 Hits @ 23-35 damage - 16% accuracy loss = 1,932-2,940 Dmg, 420 % TP
100 Hits @ 20-30 damage - 00% accuracy loss = 2,000-3,000 Dmg, 500%TP

You basically miss out on a Whole Skillchain, AND the damage from doiong more hits.
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Aye being a drk and thf is diff. Both have their place and I'm not an elitist by any mean, peregrine just has this thing about having to better than all drks at everything... let's just call that 'thing' a 'stick up his ass'.

Lets see, tryin to think here. Body is hauberk - +10acc/attk, full thick set, amemet mantle, etc. Usually with a 2handed weap str is more important than attk, and acc is most important... god I hate missing.

With assault earring you can also get +2 acc and +5attk which is nice, then there's the bomb core +12 attk, Ohat for +10acc.

So with full thick I have body hands legs feet neck and one earring utilizing acc and attk (Ryl. Grd. Collar). Then for tp gain I have life belt, sniper/venerer, ryl. grd. and Ohat. For sata WS I swap these out for ruby x2, warwolf, spike neck, and chaos burgeonet (Wyvern at 75), and enkelados' brc. Placing emphasis on SC in standard party setup I am usually /thf with martial sword (love the tp bonus).
 
Also to clarify I was flaming pere for his stupid statement regarding acc setup and acc food. I myself wear +70 acc and eat sole/sole+1 in xp.
 
I still don't have one, but this thread makes me happy.
 
This whole thread makes me Roffle.
 
Phraust said:
You guys are melee. You need accuracy. Hitting the mob for your weapon damage doesn't matter any more. It hasn't for about 8-9 levels.

Your Job as melee: Get TP ASAP, and use it in a skillchain, and leave the DMG for the Mages.

Single Hits, DoT, and your Damage is nothing. You think your 20 Dmg hit or your 60 Dmg Crit means anything? Thief hits 20 hits for 100 TP, 10% crit rate, that's only 480 damage. For a Drk, swinging in the same time, 9 hits for ~108 TP, and amassing 540 Damage in that time.

I do 480 Damage on hits, and 600-900 Dmg on Mobs that drop 200+ Exp Each.
...Do I worry about attack gear? No...
Drk, Thf, War, Rng, etc... It doesn't fucking matter. It's about how quickly, and reliabley you can get the Skillchain in. And Accuracy is what helps you more than anything. If replacing accuracy gear with attack gear helps you, have at it. But it's a waste if you are not hitting 0's.
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In parties that use me well, my parse damage is around 1100. Just BARELY (50 damage) behind the last samurai. I don't rely on black mages in my parties to do twice my damage. If you do maybe your tactics aren't as sound as you think. In most of the solid parties I've been in, the mage does around 1300 damage. So basically one burst and a closer.

Why do I need accuracy if I can hit 100 tp by the time my SA/TA timers cool down from the last weaponskill? And that's while hitting for digits that no sushi-eating no-attack-wearing thief could ever hold a candle to. You don't hit for 0? Do you hit for 8? 12? My meleeing set has traditionally had 50-60 attack on it, and over 15 strength. My weaponskill set(s) have 19 or so strength and variable dex and agi depending on if the mob turns from the tank or not.

Eating sushi and equipping accuracy up to your teeth? Pointless. Not intelligent design. I may not be able to beat a monk in DoT, but I sure as heck can keep the poor black mage from carrying the party...which by your own admission they do to you.

Even IF I had merits in sa/ta, my limiter is my sa/ta timers. I am capable of skillchaining faster than my sa/ta timers allow. And I do that while hitting respectably. That you don't hit for 0 shouldn't be the goal. You're making your mages work too hard if you don't equip attack and str on your meleeing set. It IS significant.
 
So taking phraust's lowest WS number (600) and his estimated damage up to TP point (480) that comes out to 1080 dmg per fight.

You say your damage is 'around' 1100? Is that including weapon skill? If not how long are your damn fights taking? If it does include weapon skill then congratulations, your attack build is coming out 20 dmg over phraust's lowest number.

Given phraust's AVG ws number (750) that would be 1230 dmg per fight. 130 dmg on average over your estimate. My guess to these factors would be that...

Sole Sushi gives +5 Str and +5 dex (weapon skill modifiers).
Sole Sushi results in increased TP by time SATA or Skillchain is ready to begin, thereby resulting again in higher weapon skill numbers.

So phraust's sushi approach beats you by 130 dmg on average by your own account.
 
130 damage. The difference between phraust and me is 130 damage? lol and I wore just 3.5 million gil on me until a week ago. I'll say right now that you're insanely stretching and swallowing some seriously big hooks by buying those stats, but I'll take it. 150 damage difference. What a gimp I am!
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I do this while subbing ninja, keep in mind. IIRC, phraust subs war whenever possible, which would both explain why he hasn't mentioned how ridiculously easy it is for a sushi-eating thf/nin to gain 100 tp in 50 seconds, thus CHEAPENING the effectiveness of acc gear. If I had a PCC and a SH at level 60 I sure as heck wouldn't be eating sushi. Instead of hitting for 20-30 I'd be hitting for 30-40.

I didn't have that luxury. I would NEVER both eat and equip accuracy. I would eat accuracy and equip attack or I would eat attack and equip accuracy. More specifically I would equip just enough accuracy to ensure that my tp hits 100 by the time my SA hits 0, and the rest would go to boosting strength and attack.

That's superior. That is the luxury I could never afford. That doesn't make me gimp.
 
Surely doesn't make me gimp when most of the people who have the means to be better don't even take it upon themselves to do so. It's a shame that equipment goes to waste because of a stupid thing like sushi.
 
Hey pere stay on topic we're talking about acc food and gear not how much of a gimp you are/aren't.

Just one post ago you were talking about how you didnt make the BLM carry the pt because you eat attack food.

Now I show you that phraust's dmg is higher than yours while eating acc food and you change subjects. Stay on topic.

Phraust's dmg > yours by however much, meaning that he in fact makes other jobs work less than you claim to. Talking like you is like trying to teach a pig to sing, I swear.
 
Raivyn said:
Hey pere stay on topic we're talking about acc food and gear not how much of a gimp you are/aren't.

Just one post ago you were talking about how you didnt make the BLM carry the pt because you eat attack food.

Now I show you that phraust's dmg is higher than yours while eating acc food and you change subjects. Stay on topic.

Phraust's dmg > yours by however much, meaning that he in fact makes other jobs work less than you claim to. Talking like you is like trying to teach a pig to sing, I swear.
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What the hell is your problem? If Phraust is hitting for 150 more than Peregrin a fight, and Phraust is hitting on average 50, you know what that means? Phraust landed a whopping 3 hits more.

HOLY SHIT GUYS! THREE FUCKING HITS!

And as mentioned, Phraust also subs WAR, if it's true, it would also account for the higher numbers, and no need to eat attack food to produce those numbers.

Peregrin was staying on topic, you're the one that isn't taking what he says, just so you can continue to rag on him for not pumping out ACC gear, which does have an eventual drop off, since you can never have 100% Accuracy. If you don't believe that, then keep out of the Melee game. A lot of accuracy is good. Too much is pointless.
 
I'll be damned if a black mage has to do 2000 damage in one of my parties. Basically all they should have to do in a working party is debilitate and burst.

Reading comprehension is your friend. I said my parse damage was around 1100 with my old "gimp" setup. That means sushi-eating and attack-equipping. Now on weapons I equip this stupid scorpion harness and eat attack food. I've yet to parse myself with this vanity on, but it's probably more.

And seriously...read any one of the major ffxi forums. They'd laugh their asses off if you came to them and bragged that you ate sushi and had good acc gear. They would ROLL.
 
Peregrine said:
I'll be damned if a black mage has to do 2000 damage in one of my parties. Basically all they should have to do in a working party is debilitate and burst.

Reading comprehension is your friend. I said my parse damage was around 1100 with my old "gimp" setup. That means sushi-eating and attack-equipping. Now on weapons I equip this stupid scorpion harness and eat attack food. I've yet to parse myself with this vanity on, but it's probably more.

And seriously...read any one of the major ffxi forums. They'd laugh their asses off if you came to them and bragged that you ate sushi and had good acc gear. They would ROLL.
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whatever you fail to provide information at the start just so you can change your story to suit your needs. I think most people who have followed the argument will agree that you're ful of shit.
 
Skaw said:
Raivyn said:
Hey pere stay on topic we're talking about acc food and gear not how much of a gimp you are/aren't.

Just one post ago you were talking about how you didnt make the BLM carry the pt because you eat attack food.

Now I show you that phraust's dmg is higher than yours while eating acc food and you change subjects. Stay on topic.

Phraust's dmg > yours by however much, meaning that he in fact makes other jobs work less than you claim to. Talking like you is like trying to teach a pig to sing, I swear.
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What the hell is your problem? If Phraust is hitting for 150 more than Peregrin a fight, and Phraust is hitting on average 50, you know what that means? Phraust landed a whopping 3 hits more.

HOLY SHIT GUYS! THREE FUCKING HITS!

And as mentioned, Phraust also subs WAR, if it's true, it would also account for the higher numbers, and no need to eat attack food to produce those numbers.

Peregrin was staying on topic, you're the one that isn't taking what he says, just so you can continue to rag on him for not pumping out ACC gear, which does have an eventual drop off, since you can never have 100% Accuracy. If you don't believe that, then keep out of the Melee game. A lot of accuracy is good. Too much is pointless.
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Actually I believe phraust said he hits for between 8 and 20 per hit. That'd be a lot more than 3 hits.

I don't know if he subs war or if that's just something pere made up, because I really don't recall him saying that.

Pay more attention, I'm not ragging on him for not equipping acc gear, he is ragging on everyone who equips acc gear AND eats acc food.
 
Whatever.
"I eat sushi and I have 60 acc on me!"

You reeking dumbass, then why the **** are you eating sushi. You idiots of the forum amuse me to the point of neglecting my work.
 
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