God, you're not following at all. PC+1 wasn't an issue to begin with UNTIL moderators starting working over the FB. I have no issue with reprimanding people who PC+1, but this is not about PC+1. This is about the constant locking, deletion and editing of topics when they branch from the OP. Forums are nothing more than conversation between masses of people and to not expect a topic to branch into other topics that either parallel or relate in one way or another is damn stupid.
I see you didn't read my post on how to speak to other people when you are trying to get your point across...
We keep jumping from topic to topic. Let's stick to PC+1. In my opinion, as well as others too, PC+1 does not add anything to this board and took away from the actual debate. The flame does not hurt by having these taken out. There were certain offenders that constantly came into a topic and posted the PC+1 junk and it did get old to many users. And because of the PMs, reports, and whatnot, that was when Dino and I sat down and said things have got to change. And then they did, and now we have most of those people who were the offenders of the PC+1 upset because they cannot do that anymore.
Moving on to the locks, some threads deserve to be locked. When the flame is extinguished, there's no point to have it around because people tend to just post some more PC+1 and go off on their own conversation. I know Jyak has done it a few times where he'll see someone he knows and all of the sudden those two will have a 5 page discussion about something in game that has no relevance. This also touches on the deletion of posts. If it's a 5 page hello fest that has no relevance to anyone other then the two involved, they should be deleted and it should be recommended that the two take the conversation to VMs.
I don't think it is too hard to ask of people who are at least intelligent enough to turn on a computer, log on, and head to this website to follow some basic rules of keeping most flames on topic. It's not difficult. QCDN by far has some of the most lenient rules of any other forum I've seen out there. Sadly, when you offer an inch people tend to take a foot. And when you zing it down to an inch a lot of people get upset.
Also, before you tell me that I'm not getting it again and that the controversy started only after we started modding the flameboard, I just have to say again that is not true. We did have gripes in the back from users about threads and whatnot. It's why we did what we did.
Here is the quality of moderation that lead to this discussion:
Good, an example. Okay let's go for it.
1. Meastoso creates a flame to shoot off his mouth about duping and call everyone else out.
Pretty basic. Most flames have to start off with something. He presented his side, shared his experience and left it at that.
2. Responses ensue, arguements, etc. The normal mumbo-jumbo.
The debating aspect. Usually what makes a great flame. Not the pictures or "inb4lulz" comments. Sometimes great points are lost in the PC+1s and that's always a shame.
3. Someone responds, "duping doesn't hurt anyone since it only creates duplicates of ra/ex items in salvage."
Not a PC+1, and has relevant to the topic. If I were a mod I'd probably wait to see how it panned out.
4. A debate ensues about the REAL implications of duping and how it endeed does impact other players. Arguments are formed, backed up with legitimate reasoning and REAL evidence.
At this point, I'd probably have to split the post (like Arc did with Anttaru) and allow this whole debate to go on in another thread since it touches on all the people who duped instead of just Meast.
5. Shitty mod deletes it because it doesn't contain enough to entertain him.
Splitting would have been better in my opinion, but calling them out in a post like this is in poor taste. Did you think of maybe PMing them and requesting the posts be restored and moved to a new thread? If the answer is no then I don't think it's really the best idea to call a mod shitty and say the reason it was deleted was because it doesn't entertain him. I did give them Tim's number and I'm sure they'll be using him in the future sometime soon...
Quality. And not so ironically, this discussion has ABSOLUTELY no relevance to the OP and yet it continues entirely based on the random whims of poor moderation. In fact, deleting the previous so-called derailment which had some relevance and allowing this one to continue further is a testiment to that shitty moderation.
Well, once again, this topic should be broken up and moved to another thread. Either in SAF or here if you want to continue to call me an idiot or the mods shitty. >.o But I ask you then...did you report one of these posts and say "Hey, I think the posts on this topic should be split off!" at all? Once again, if the answer is no, then I wouldn't call the moderation shitty since you also have an obligation to report (as do all the users) items like this. The mods are human and have lives outside of here and if you expect them to have everything done with the blink of an eye without any help from users, then shame on you.
