HNM LS Ethics

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fishbot = Scypio (I knew one of 'em was)
BENWALLACE = kisada

makes sense now g'hahahaha

ok cool. there's your honoroable, ethic-upholding, proud human beings.

BIG BEN SAY LIKE THIS, HE SAYS THAT PPLZ IN AMERICA ONLINE INTRANET VIDEO GAMES THEY ARE USUALLY FIFITENEN YEAR OLDS KIDS WHO LIKE TO TOUCH THEIR PP AND THEY DONT KNOW WHAT IS OK AND WHAT IS NOT OK (TOUCHING PP IS NOT OK BIGBEN DISLIKE THAT) SO BIG BEN SAY SOMETIMES BAD LITTLE KIDS DO BAD THINGS TO GOODGUYS LIKE IN MOVIES AND MAKE BIGBEN SAD :SADFACE:

HEY PZNAEHN GUY DONT LISTEN TO FGT CAT FISHBOTTER HE LIKES FISHIES(MEWMEW) BIGBEN SAY IF YOU CHEATING HEY THEN THEY GOT NO ETHNICISTICIES SO ITS NO POINTS TO ARGUING IT OK MAN GUY? OK

SO MORAL OF STORY

BIGBEN DONT TOUCH PP
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And yea Dua's right actually, this is getting kinda silly.
 
Wow... those two are wow... aren't they supposed to be like the "higher up" members of Ascension, like representing the reputation of the Linkshell type of positions.. guess they cant even do that right?
 
Not only that but the fact that I bet the forum Admins knew it was them all along for the same reason they found out about Vang's friend posting here... yet they didn't ban their accounts the first time they acted up? Was this special treatment?
 
Just for reference, the AF3 battle is 2 fights, not 1 and you couldn't beat the weapons solo at 60 most likely. :p
Must have been an interesting fight to beat the manticore solo. I guess I should congratulate you there. BTW, did you /sea the Li'Telor (I think? I forget) region to see if people were camping Ramuh before doing the weapon battle?? I knew it. =(
 
Nah i got some friends to help kill the gremlin duo. No way i coulda solo'ed that at 60... the mantiocre... took 28 minutes. I almost ran outta time and just spammed astral and prayed he didn't resist ... died 3 times trying to do it though.
 
Since this is the flameboards, I could be here calling Svina crude names, a botter, and/or any other thing I can think of. Why don't I do you ask? Because I feel he's not worth the time to get worked up over on a specific forum where "anything goes." You can say anything you want here and does that make you any different in-game? No. Slandering an entire LS on the "flameboards" is hardly a basis for anything. You can hate specific members all you want but associating them just because of their LS is hardly fair, especially to those that don't even post here.

For example, as you can already tell, certain members in our LS don't like Svina. When the disliking began, he was in DrgnAsh. Did you see us coming on here saying DrgnAsh was the "lowest breed of human beings"? No. Why? Because one specific member does not represent the LS as a whole. We've also had MPK threats made by Jonas but did you see us coming on here saying that DrgnAsh was the "lowest breed of human beings"? No.

Posts made by "BENWALLACE" and "fishbot" were directed at you specifically, not your entire LS. If you're going to hate the name "Ascension", then you're hating every single member in our LS. Let me give you a couple and see if you can dig up some dirt on them shall we? Masashiro, Nikki, Smyth, Ingwe, Gainsborough, Cyppo, Close, Dor, Merovingian, Yopinepi. Of course, the list goes on for another 30 some odd members but I feel that listing them all would only give more names for people like Svina to counter us just to "make us squirm."

I could care less of you made posts saying "KISADA AND SCYPIO ARE UBER NOOB LOLZOR" because I feel that they're old enough to defend themselves against whatever you throw at them. However, when I have to take my time to come here just to respond to your "ASCENSION CAN KISS MY ASS" threads, I feel that the basis of said thread hardly warrants a flame towards the LS as a whole.

This post may have strayed off topic to flame Svina specifically, but that doesn't mean all of Ascension is represented by posts made by a few members. If you can obtain a single incident where we, as a LS, were unethical at any point in our existance, by all means, continue this flame. However, if your flames are still directed at our LS based on your hate for a few of our members, then I can only come on here once again, to defend us for what we are.
 
HNM ethics lets take out that HNM

i dare you to post on my subject, triple dog dare ya xd.

go go ascension, maybe all the hype about ascension being cry babys and pricks isnt all just lies.... looking for your thoughts.
 
you know, I find it amazing how ascension can complain about ethics to anyone.....considering i have known the members since they started as that ls HNMhunters or whatever it was called. They have proved to be the most dishonest and drama filled ls i have seen. It is widely known that Nasya cant be trusted because she acts like a Child. This is also the same for almaut and phazen, along with several other members. Also dont try to play it off, Slacker and myself started hunting HNM the same time you did so save the rightous comments for someone else, i know the whole story. This entire esipode with Svina is only one of the countless incidents where the innocence of Ascension is being attacked by the wolves of the server, Ascension has never done anything wrong or dishonest....my ass. I am not saying Drgnash was in any way inncocent because we werent, but don't try to take the high road with me because if you want to air dirty laundry we can. Just say the word Nasya, lets start telling stories because i have a truckload of them. Whining about people doing searches for you to find HNM time, like this is something new. I know you did it while Drgnash still played FFXI. Let the banter begin i guess....
 
Wow, I don't even know where to begin to respond to your post, Jonas. From what I could gather from your post, Ascension would be the Batcheporu of linkshells on this server. Seeing as how we've had complaints from a grand total of 3 people so far, I'm going to go ahead and just refute your claim of us being "the most dishonest and drama filled ls i have seen." I don't know what caused the hate you have for us but it's people like you that continue to direct drama at us and for what? So you can sleep better at night thinking that you're better than us?

Jonas said:
Whining about people doing searches for you to find HNM time, like this is something new. I know you did it while Drgnash still played FFXI. Let the banter begin i guess...
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Funny, Dua (a former LS and no longer a member of Ascension) explained quite clearly how things work in our LS. Since you didn't seem to catch that, I'll quote it again.

Dua said:
- Ascension has never done /sea "person" to find out if they were camping a HNM. Our tactic was, if we saw certain LS in zones with HNM, we would send 1 person to get the exact ToD (trust me having the exact ToD makes a HUGE difference), then probably try camping it the next day. But this almost never happened since our numbers were not high enough (for kings and such).
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I'd like to hear your "truckload" of stories that you seem to have on us, Jonas because I'm quite sure they'll have me laughing for a good while.
As for us being dishonest, don't you think that a few of our members would have left ages ago before we even switched to being known as "Ascension"? We havn't pulled a Kurei on anyone so I don't see how you can call us dishonest.

Last but not least before I finish up my response to this, I don't see how these claims of myself, Phazen, Nasya, and "several other members" of acting childish came about. What I really don't believe is how you can claim that it's "widely known" that Nas can't be trusted. Go take a poll out of every single person that knows Nasya on this server and I can guarantee that more often than not, they'll say she's the kindest and most trustworthy person they know.

As for myself, if I "act like a Child", I'd post something like "OMG YOUR TALKING SHIT ABOUT ME. I BET I CAN KICK YOUR ASS IRL BECAUSE MY E-PENIS IS BIGGER THAN YOUR E-PENIS." But, seeing as how you don't see me doing that in every single one of my responses, I don't see how you can even begin to think that I act like a child. Anyway, I think I've said enough for one day so I'll be back again tomorrow, ready to "ACT LIK A CHILDZ0R ROFL0L0RZ"
 
Lol...just want to point one thing out.

Pretty much everything Ascension has done, DrgnAsh accomplished first.

The shell may have died, but it was the best HNM/God shell of it's time.

BTW, I like how you fucked over Reality... he was all up and prepared for your little "trial", sold all his other job's gear and pimped out his RNG equipment just to please you guys, and then you tell him to fuck off because why? You decided you don't like him? Hmm... that's awful mature.

On the topic of not /sea <insert name> to find a camp time, there was an incident where we had gone to camp Charbydis after hitting up Behemoth. Not even 15 minutes later I see Ascension running into SSG as I'm levelling there, and hear how you are all countercamping them out of spite because we wanted to camp Behemoth for a change. Faggy much? D:
 
Thats interesting a "Trial" would be nice to read on topics like these for HNM/LS.

Because HNM all that is about trust, putting a test on new members to join sounds interesting.
 
you know ethics aside, seems to me that the issue of /sea member is getting a bit clouded in too much narrowminded specifics.

consider /sea area, and /sea person.
now its been stated that theres probably what 12 worthwhile camps people try to get tod's for? personally i think thats a bit high, id peg it closer to 8.

to be unethical, /sea person would need to assume that some ls's are "stalking" acension, and only counter camping the hnm that they are on, With Intent of not so much camping the nm, but Competing against acension.
some would say this is unethical (or at the very least malicious), it could also be considered flattering.

however, that aside, whether you /sea area or /sea person, chances are hnm ls's run through all of those very few worthwhile areas when looking around for tod's. so whats the difference in Which method you use, unless as i stated previously, their interest is Not so much in the hnm involved, but only to compete with a specific ls?

~Syn
 
12:

1) Behemoth/King Behemoth
2) Adamantoise/Asspelunker(I don;t fucking remember the name forgive me)
3) Simurgh
4) Fafnir/Nihdogg
5) Charlboise(Again forgive me...)
6) Capricious Cassie
7) Vivacious Vivian
8) Lord of Onzozo
9) King Arthro
10) Serket
11) Citipati/Xotol
12) Eastern Shadow
 
1) Behemoth/King Behemoth
2) Adamantoise/Asspelunker(I don;t fucking remember the name forgive me)
3) Simurgh
4) Fafnir/Nihdogg

5) Charlboise(Again forgive me...) <-- Not really, just for Joyeuse really.

6) Capricious Cassie

7) Vivacious Vivian <-- not really camped either, just hunted for a rare/ex ring

8) Lord of Onzozo
9) King Arthro
10) Serket
11) Citipati/Xotol

12) Eastern Shadow <-- Dunno if HNM really camp these regularly but I know they have a huge demand for their drops.
 
Svina said:
Lol...just want to point one thing out.

Pretty much everything Ascension has done, DrgnAsh accomplished first.

The shell may have died, but it was the best HNM/God shell of it's time.

BTW, I like how you fucked over Reality... he was all up and prepared for your little "trial", sold all his other job's gear and pimped out his RNG equipment just to please you guys, and then you tell him to fuck off because why? You decided you don't like him? Hmm... that's awful mature.

On the topic of not /sea <insert name> to find a camp time, there was an incident where we had gone to camp Charbydis after hitting up Behemoth. Not even 15 minutes later I see Ascension running into SSG as I'm levelling there, and hear how you are all countercamping them out of spite because we wanted to camp Behemoth for a change. Faggy much? D:
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Topic 1: first of all, when did this become a shouting match about drgash vs Ascension? Secondly, there are two things drgash accomplished before us, and those are Divine Might and Kirin.

On Kirin: I heard, though this might not be the case, that the entire reason Drgash choose to do Kirin on that day was because you all had heard that we were going to try it for our first time that weekend. This may not be the case, but this is what i was told by someone who went with you all.

Topic 2: Best hnmshell of its time? Hardly, this isn't an insult to drgash by any means either... first of all, you were not an hnm shell, but rather a social shell that occasionally did hnm. Secondly, if we want to go into who accomplished more, or what first, ascension will generally win out, by stats. Drgash was a very accomplished LS, but the claims that you made in that sentence do not have numbers to back it up.

Topic 3: we fucked him over? Never did I, or any of the other leaders tell him to sell his equipment. We never said he would get in or even a trial. He expressed interest, and we said we would talk to our members and see what they thought.

This is the process we go with for anyone who shows interest in the LS. First, we discuss what the ls is with them, and make sure they understand our expectations, and also find out what their expectations are. Then, we talk to the existing members about said person. After that we invite them to an event, usually a sky run, and if the do not act like an idiot/play moderately well/listen to instructions they are in if they choose to join.

Now, having explained the basic recruitment process we can get to the topic at hand. If even one person has an objection to them that ends the process right there. Why? Because in order to be effective people have to get along in the shell. Ascension is not an LS made up of random people who simply want to kill shit, it is made up of a group of people who generally become close knit friends, and rely on each other for help not only when doing LS events but when doing other things like BCs, CoP, Second/third country missions, random small ra/ex mobs etc etc. Perhaps the reasoning behind the objection is not mature, that has been the case many times and i have tried to resolve issues between people when it has been, but the reasoning behind it makes sense. Administratively, a leader does not want to bring people into the group who might cause problems, even if the problems come from existing members and not the new member him/herself.

Lastly, in regard to Svina's post, as many have said we do not do /sea all <name> for pop times. I recall the time that you are mentioning, and on the forums someone, I can even look back in our forums logs to see who it was if you like, had posted an approximate time for the pop (it was rather close to a server up too, so it was not difficult for anyone to track multiple NM at that time) and had asked for help popping it (I am pretty sure it was one of our bards, probably xan... our rdms have popped it by themselves in the past). 2-3 people went to the area, and started to kill some of the spawn mobs. Then, some 8-10 people from Drgash showed up to counter them. Only after that point in time did we as a group show up. It was this day that Jonas threatened to MPK us in sky, and really this is the day that I mark as when a very real animosity between the two shells developed... though I never understood why that was the case. Furthermore, when talking to some of the members of drgash they didn't understand the reasoning either. I remember I teleported one, and we talked for sometime after the port… when she found out that I was in Ascension, and that I was the leader she said something to the effect of “Wow, you are not nearly as bad as I thought you would be!” to which I was astonished… anyway, I am getting off topic here.

I will say again, /sea all <name> is not a tactic we have ever used. /sea <place name> is one that we have and continue to use. The major difference? In order for /sea <place name> to be an effective tool you have to have some idea of when the monster was popping to begin with.

Now, onto Jonas' post.

Jonas said:
you know, I find it amazing how ascension can complain about ethics to anyone.....considering i have known the members since they started as that ls HNMhunters or whatever it was called. They have proved to be the most dishonest and drama filled ls i have seen. It is widely known that Nasya cant be trusted because she acts like a Child. This is also the same for almaut and phazen, along with several other members. Also dont try to play it off, Slacker and myself started hunting HNM the same time you did so save the rightous comments for someone else, i know the whole story. This entire esipode with Svina is only one of the countless incidents where the innocence of Ascension is being attacked by the wolves of the server, Ascension has never done anything wrong or dishonest....my ass. I am not saying Drgnash was in any way inncocent because we werent, but don't try to take the high road with me because if you want to air dirty laundry we can. Just say the word Nasya, lets start telling stories because i have a truckload of them. Whining about people doing searches for you to find HNM time, like this is something new. I know you did it while Drgnash still played FFXI. Let the banter begin i guess....
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Dishonest? let me see... there was one occasion where three members stole an NM, and i admonished them greatly for that. Aside from that, we have never done anything dishonest. In fact, we have gone so far as to avoid countering groups we are friendly with.

ex. One day we were told that Bune (this is recent) was up, and unclaimed, so we went to kill it. Later the people leading that party received a tell from Maseki saying that he had been tracking it and 1. wanted to know how we got the time (like I said we were told it was up, and unclaimed) and 2. asked that we stopped camping it. we did, it was that simple.

Jonas... I don't even know you. The one time we directly interacted was back in Labyrinth of Onozozo... Ose popped, and you invited my party to help you all kill it. That was it for direct interaction between us. Frankly, I have no stories about you... well, no I have two, but I would rather not mud sling, it is not something I do, and they are minor stories. I don't understand why you choose to flame me, if you want send me a PM or in game tell with your grievances, and I will do what I can to resolve them.

This topic has really strayed... ah well.

Davio >> although the basic recruitment process is outlined i this post i thought i would bring it briefly again for your benifit. The reason we have people come on one (or more) runs with us has a few reasons. Although one of them is to look at ability/teachability that is hardly the main purpose for it. We invite people to join our events because we want to get the person, and give them an opertunity to get to know us. Also, HNM hunting is not for everyone, so we liked to give people who may never have done so before a chance to see what the fights are like. This is what our "trials" are about. Gear and technique can change; personality, the ability to learn, and whether someone enjoys an activity like those we engage in usually do not, and it is those factors that we look at most when recruiting.
 
I recall the time that you are mentioning, and on the forums someone, I can even look back in our forums logs to see who it was if you like, had posted an approximate time for the pop (it was rather close to a server up too, so it was not difficult for anyone to track multiple NM at that time) and had asked for help popping it (I am pretty sure it was one of our bards, probably xan... our rdms have popped it by themselves in the past). 2-3 people went to the area, and started to kill some of the spawn mobs. Then, some 8-10 people from Drgash showed up to counter them. Only after that point in time did we as a group show up.

if you are talking about charydibs incident allow me to elaborate;

i had heard that if there are 2 mantas flying around, then charys window is open. So i went to SSG, and there were 2 mantas there. Both me and Prophecy wanted a joyeuse so we decided that we would pop togehter today and get it, then come back tomarrow for the other ( such is the case in most LS). I can solo a holder (takes about 15 mins) then proph showed up and we got to work. We were there for about an hour when a 4 people showed up, A BRD a NIN and 2 mages i beleive. I told them i was camping chary, and they said they were too. Just because we showed up first doesnt give us the right to claim an unpopped NM, but it is frustrating if you kill more of the pops. Anyway me and a pld could not take chary, however the ascension group could. So i asked in the LS for a DD, a whm, and a tank to come help, and anyone else that could come.

shortly after our reinforcements came, asenscion as well called for backup.

i can only assume what you were talking about was this event, in which i was there first, so i was counter camped not the other way around.

I hold no Ill-will about counter camping. it is part of the game. if you go to an HNM and expect to have them on a silver platter for more than a day you are wrong.

We are lucky as a server. Some servers have JP lockdown on land HNMs. Fafnir, Nidhogg pops on our server unclaimed for an hour, because the JP LS noodles around.
 
Who is Nark Sparky? I have seen a couple sigs with him in it/referenced. Do tell ^^


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