Mabel & Cix

Cix said:
Of course I'll share with you!
Mabel happens to be my Mom, and she sits right next to me. I can see her screen when she plays, what she does, etc.
I was present when this happened, and Rhinegold's account is similiar to the truth, but a little bit exaggerated.
He did refuse to stun, and thats the basis of me calling him Gimp. Not because he couldnt, not because he didnt stun them all, but because he made no effort to, while throwing out excuses.
I even did some research. I asked around to a small number of BLMs, and looked at my own personal experience, and I know it isnt typical to ask to stun all, or even most of the bombs as BLMs. However, the effort to stun is widely expected, according to these BLMs, especially in Bibiki.
So, now that I've laid my information and opinion on the table, I get to see if it was asked for merely to be disagreed with, or because they actually wanted to know.

No, you must have asked a bunch of gimp BLMs.


Do not stun tosses. Keep barfira/fire carol up. Reap the rewards of a gob going from 90%HP -> 0%HP.


Have you researched any of this information for yourself?

Do you know how much hate Stun pulls? It is very similar to Provoke.

Why should a BLM stand there and wait for the Gobs Bomb Toss?


BLM has much more important things to do.

Rest MP. Nuke. MB.


A common time for Gobs to use their TP is during a Skillchain.

Do you know why?

WS's like Rampage, Slug Shot, Dancing Edge, Shark Bite, and Wheeling Thrust are all multi-hit skills. They give the mob a lot more TP than regular hits.

When they get this load of TP from the skillchain, they'll use it.


What is more important now?

The Bomb Toss/Goblin Rush, or a 1200-2000 DMG MB?



Kim Jong Il said:
Why is everyone so fucking stupid?
 
Dowzer said:
No, you must have asked a bunch of gimp BLMs.


Do not stun tosses. Keep barfira/fire carol up. Reap the rewards of a gob going from 90%HP -> 0%HP.


Have you researched any of this information for yourself?

Do you know how much hate Stun pulls? It is very similar to Provoke.

Why should a BLM stand there and wait for the Gobs Bomb Toss?


BLM has much more important things to do.

Rest MP. Nuke. MB.


A common time for Gobs to use their TP is during a Skillchain.

Do you know why?

WS's like Rampage, Slug Shot, Dancing Edge, Shark Bite, and Wheeling Thrust are all multi-hit skills. They give the mob a lot more TP than regular hits.

When they get this load of TP from the skillchain, they'll use it.


What is more important now?

The Bomb Toss/Goblin Rush, or a 1200-2000 DMG MB?

Why do you keep acting like I'm saying:
"OMG BLMS!!! Stand there and stun EVERY bomb."
Dowzer, please.
Also, I hope Im misreading that part about Barfira, because why the hell would a BLM be in charge of that with a WHM around?
 
Alright, I just realized this is the stupidest arguement I've ever been in.
I called Rhinegold gimp, he inflated it with an inflated vocabulary. The flameboard wizards bit it. I hope people read through flames backwards because then I just saved them precious minutes.

Furthermore, I see that the information that was asked for had pretty much nothing to do with your next post. Astounding.
 
Cix said:
Why do you keep acting like I'm saying:
"OMG BLMS!!! Stand there and stun EVERY bomb."
Dowzer, please.
Also, I hope Im misreading that part about Barfira, because why the hell would a BLM be in charge of that with a WHM around?

It's still a waste of 25MP and gains hate. Hate is the last thing a BLM needs, they throw enough around with tier III and IV spells.

If a BLM is given the opportunity to stun a bomb toss, it's still not needed. They have more important things to use their time and MP for.

It is the Tank and DRK's job to control the mobs TP. The tank can easily run away from Skills like: Bomb Toss, Smite of Rage, Sickle Slash, Throat Stab.....the list goes on.

I also mentioned Fire Carol. Anyone would assume that I meant Barfira from WHM and Fire Carol from BRD.
 
So can Cix go play the violin on his wrists now while we get some ribs? It's obvious he doesn't understand.
 
Ahahaha, i was waiting for a Flame on Mabel tho show up. I could have started one myself but that's not me.

Since it's here though.. it seems she has a reputation for up and warping on her XP parties and being an all round shit white mage.

I was XP'n in Kuftal Tunnel on my Ninja with Bogotti, Oraox, Kaia and some BLM who's name eludes me. This idiot WHM didn't have much to do since i am tanking as Ninja, yet she found it impossible to keep me hasted, would rarely Silena, Stona or Paralyna me. Took many many times asking to get anything from her.

Others were complaining too.

Then, the bard Kaia tells me "i bet she warps out on us, she did it on my party before" ..well, what do you know, seriously a few minutes later Mabel warps out and leaves us. Ruining our party.

Don't party with her guys, she is a sucky white mage and will only warp out and ruin your days XP.

Take care,

Silfer
 
[Silfer] said:
Ahahaha, i was waiting for a Flame on Mabel tho show up. I could have started one myself but that's not me.

Since it's here though.. it seems she has a reputation for up and warping on her XP parties and being an all round shit white mage.

I was XP'n in Kuftal Tunnel on my Ninja with Bogotti, Oraox, Kaia and some BLM who's name eludes me. This idiot WHM didn't have much to do since i am tanking as Ninja, yet she found it impossible to keep me hasted, would rarely Silena, Stona or Paralyna me. Took many many times asking to get anything from her.

Others were complaining too.

Then, the bard Kaia tells me "i bet she warps out on us, she did it on my party before" ..well, what do you know, seriously a few minutes later Mabel warps out and leaves us. Ruining our party.

Don't party with her guys, she is a sucky white mage and will only warp out and ruin your days XP.

Take care,

Silfer

Sorry, had to come back after I read this.
I find that extremely ironic from kaia, considering she warped out of a Subligar alliance with no warning, because of search comments. Ruining the alliance.
 
As a whm myself, I cannot understand why she was complaining to the blm about stunning in the first place. If she had kept Barfira up, there shouldn't have even been a problem. That's my opinion.

I personally have never heard of her as of yet, but I do know a lot of these up and coming whm's are giving us old school ones bad names. They don't have have their spells. They don't use their barspells like they should, they are so friggin' busy trying to enfeeble (where I feel this is the rdm's or brd's job), that they let their party members suffer in the process.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel I'm a pretty decent whm. My first casts are ALWAYS
 
Crap, sorry hit submit when I didn't mean to. Damn FB!!!!

Anyway ...

First cast is always Haste main tank, regen (III) main tank, cast bar spell if needed, then haste a dd, regen III a dd, if I can get another haste off in a fight I'll haste a 3rd, but then it's mainly healing when needed and taking off effects. Rest for a few ticks, rinse and repeat next fight.

That's the jist anyway.
 
Kat said:
they are so friggin' busy trying to enfeeble (where I feel this is the rdm's or brd's job), that they let their party members suffer in the process.

Yea, I dig this logic. I got yelled at once when I was enfeebling, and someone died on a pull (I was casting as they were coming back with the mob, shadows dropped and it beat the snot outta them). I learned my lesson then and there. I only Enfeeble now when I get asked to. I stick with pretty much the same route as you:

Haste tank, Regen tank, haste whoever else might need it, then start the curing/esuna'ing cycle until either A) Haste or Regen wears off or B) The mob dies. Silly rabbits..

Anyway. Back to the main topic of the post. Dont BLM's have enough on their plate as is? I can understand where the angst comes from (Flat out refusing to stun, if theres no one else capable of it, can be pretty infuriating i'm sure), but thats no excuse to warp on a PT. Especially if youre the white mage.

Where I come from thats called bitch shit, practiced only by little bitches.

So like. Is yo mama a bitch?
 
Ignoring the pasts of the particular people involved, shouldn't BLM be stunning occassionally anyways to help NIN tanks while they are bringing up shadows? From what I have seen, Stun doesn't cause the amount of hate people say it does, and by the time most BLMs are using it in their main lineup they have -emnity gear.
Sure you stand a chance of the goblin dropping the bomb, but more often than not, it wont be on their first attempt.

I wouldn't say the OP was gimp for not trying, but I wouldn't call Cix an idiot for just expecting him to try when every BLM I've PT'd with has tried. But really, so many silly things were said in this thread that held no relevence. I don't think Cix ever expected him to cast while he was in the middle of another spell, or expected him to try and succeed every time. It is nice to see it every once and a while though, as it is a good time to throw up shadows if that is a concern. The situation could have been handled a little differently, but I wouldn't say either side is without it's faults.
 
Wow. I had to come and read this for myself. My first flame! lol

Rhinegold, regarding Stunning a bomb - i have watched so many BLM's in their 70s throw out a Stun when the gob "readies a bomb" it isn't funny. It's a very effective ploy, especially when you get so much warning. A good BLM makes it look rather effortless, and for instance, in Angler Tunnel of Bibiki, it's pretty standard. A bomb is a powerful act by a gob, and efforts can and should be made against them. I was barfiring by macro, no problem, and keeping that up constantly, but that does not stop all the damage, as everyone knows, so I was healing my ass off as well. I asked you to Stun, and taught you to cast it when you get the warning, but you said it was "too hard" and that you were always in the middle of another cast. Many BLM i have watched are usually waiting to do a MB, so I am not clear why you weren't available to do a Stun.

And Silfer and Kaia, what a childish way to handle your disappointment. We got 11,000 xp before I left, so not sure what the whining is about. Kaia, I warped out of your party in Boyada Tree after I had been repeatedly killed following all the fly links and had had enough. Remember me exclaiming that I was sick of dying because we kept getting links! Casted my ass off that night, that's for sure, all the damage we were taking. We'd partied for a few hours, and no one else blamed me for leaving, because I got /tells from the other party members saying they would leave too.

The other time was in Kuftal Tunnel when I was killed there because the leader took us there on Earth Day when a stone was in our way and our party took aggro when we were cornered and snk/inv were wearing left and right, which everyone expected me to provide for them. I was killed there and the leader said get up now, so i reraised myself, and was instantly killed again by a Haunt. During death, I /telled a couple friends and was told that the Leader was a dope and I should get the hell out, so I did. My mistake for not slandering him to the party to justify my action. I had to HP, and just took my xp loss like a big girl. Guess that kind of thing enrages you.

Furthermore, before leaving the party yesterday with both Silfer and Kaia in it, I asked two other WHM to replace me and one answered and declined, and the other didn't answer. After all your nagging, Silfer, and me telling you more than once that you are exhaustingly unreasonable to demand all your cures the second they occur, i was fed up with your bossiness. A WHM has priorities, and Curing is definitely one of them! Not just your buffs and Erases!It was your arrogance that made me want to leave. That party had a BRD and a WHM and the rest were melee with more than one NIN sub, so you weren't the ONLY one who needed Silena, Paralyna, Stona, Regen, etc. Not to mention coming to you in the midst of battle for all the extra Protects that the mob was dispelling on the melee.

I also mentioned to the party how easy it is to MISS something with a BRD because of all the extra text a BRD's songs put out, but the prima donna in you would criticize me for seeing the haste wear on someone else and recasting on him. "I need Haste more than _____!" "Do me! Do me!" etc ad nauseum. Your party felt like a bad day at work. And that's one other thing. I work a full time job every day, and only get to play 4 hours on weekdays and on the weekends, that's MAXIMUM. Your snotty response to me when i replied to Kaia's surprising accusation that I ditch parties, "I don't warp out of parties - how else could I get from Level 67 - Level 72 in four weeks?!" and you said, "Actually, that's rather slow." (That was the last straw - i couldn't Warp fast enough after that shit. And you apparently feel I should "pay" for that.) For someone like me who has a lot of other stuff going on, that's damn respectable.

Finally, Passions, i don't think I have ever partied with you, but I do remember meeting you because you were all, "My Twin!!" etc because we have the same taru character. I was pretty shocked to hear you call me names! lol
 
Mabel said:
Wow. I had to come and read this for myself. My first flame! lol

Rhinegold, regarding Stunning a bomb - i have watched so many BLM's in their 70s throw out a Stun when the gob "readies a bomb" it isn't funny. It's a very effective ploy, especially when you get so much warning. A good BLM makes it look rather effortless, and for instance, in Angler Tunnel of Bibiki, it's pretty standard. A bomb is a powerful act by a gob, and efforts can and should be made against them. I was barfiring by macro, no problem, and keeping that up constantly, but that does not stop all the damage, as everyone knows, so I was healing my ass off as well. I asked you to Stun, and taught you to cast it when you get the warning, but you said it was "too hard" and that you were always in the middle of another cast. Many BLM i have watched are usually waiting to do a MB, so I am not clear why you weren't available to do a Stun.

Really? Do Gobs bombs go up in power -that- much?

Mabel said:
And Silfer and Kaia, what a childish way to handle your disappointment. We got 11,000 xp before I left, so not sure what the whining is about. Kaia, I warped out of your party in Boyada Tree after I had been repeatedly killed following all the fly links and had had enough. Remember me exclaiming that I was sick of dying because we kept getting links! Casted my ass off that night, that's for sure, all the damage we were taking. We'd partied for a few hours, and no one else blamed me for leaving, because I got /tells from the other party members saying they would leave too.

That isnt' an excuse, or a justification to just warp out on a party.

Mabel said:
The other time was in Kuftal Tunnel when I was killed there because the leader took us there on Earth Day when a stone was in our way and our party took aggro when we were cornered and snk/inv were wearing left and right, which everyone expected me to provide for them. I was killed there and the leader said get up now, so i reraised myself, and was instantly killed again by a Haunt. During death, I /telled a couple friends and was told that the Leader was a dope and I should get the hell out, so I did. My mistake for not slandering him to the party to justify my action. I had to HP, and just took my xp loss like a big girl. Guess that kind of thing enrages you.

Furthermore, before leaving the party yesterday with both Silfer and Kaia in it, I asked two other WHM to replace me and one answered and declined, and the other didn't answer. After all your nagging, Silfer, and me telling you more than once that you are exhaustingly unreasonable to demand all your cures the second they occur, i was fed up with your bossiness. A WHM has priorities, and Curing is definitely one of them! Not just your buffs and Erases!It was your arrogance that made me want to leave. That party had a BRD and a WHM and the rest were melee with more than one NIN sub, so you weren't the ONLY one who needed Silena, Paralyna, Stona, Regen, etc. Not to mention coming to you in the midst of battle for all the extra Protects that the mob was dispelling on the melee.

Why are you so concerned about the melee? The Tank, is the TANK. They fight the monster, they take the hits, they keep YOUR ass alive. You should primarily focus on keeping them up, and when they're safe, proceed to the melee. In no situation does a DRG, DRK, SAM, RNG, or any other DD I haven't named need Parlyna, or Silena removed before tha tank. It just doesn't make sense. She wasn't the ONLY one who needed them, but she WAS the one who should have got them first.

And, She's unreasonable for demanding cures the second they occur? :/ SHe's a NIN. She can't exactly afford many hits, or to be low on HP. They tend to use Shadows alot, and sometimes TP moves take those down.

Mabel said:
I also mentioned to the party how easy it is to MISS something with a BRD because of all the extra text a BRD's songs put out, but the prima donna in you would criticize me for seeing the haste wear on someone else and recasting on him. "I need Haste more than _____!" "Do me! Do me!" etc ad nauseum. Your party felt like a bad day at work.


So. You're saying, it's ok for you to miss a haste due to scrolling text, but not ok for a BLM to miss a stun?

[ Mabel said:
And that's one other thing. I work a full time job every day, and only get to play 4 hours on weekdays and on the weekends, that's MAXIMUM. Your snotty response to me when i replied to Kaia's surprising accusation that I ditch parties, "I don't warp out of parties - how else could I get from Level 67 - Level 72 in four weeks?!" and you said, "Actually, that's rather slow." (That was the last straw - i couldn't Warp fast enough after that shit. And you apparently feel I should "pay" for that.) For someone like me who has a lot of other stuff going on, that's damn respectable.


No offense, but, STFU. I work a full time job as well. Whoopity fucking do. o.O
 
Mabel said:
Your snotty response to me when i replied to Kaia's surprising accusation that I ditch parties, "I don't warp out of parties - how else could I get from Level 67 - Level 72 in four weeks?!" and you said, "Actually, that's rather slow." (That was the last straw - i couldn't Warp fast enough after that shit. And you apparently feel I should "pay" for that.) For someone like me who has a lot of other stuff going on, that's damn respectable.

Meh, don't worry about stupid comments like that, Mabel. I believe I'm a mighty fine player (not to brag), and after nearly two years, my highest job is 61 Paladin. If leveling slow makes you a gimp, I'm the biggest gimp on the server. I mean, just look at this gimpiness:

antorgear.jpg


I salute you for not being a complete jackass to those who have flamed you in this thread.
 
Mabel said:
And Silfer and Kaia, what a childish way to handle your disappointment.

So who's gonna be the first one to tell her that Kaia has not even posted on this topic?

Mabel said:
We got 11,000 xp before I left

So who's gonna be the first one to tell her that's sub par exp?

Mabel said:
A WHM has priorities, and Curing is definitely one of them! Not just your buffs and Erases!

So who's gonna be the first one to tell her a Ninja's buffs are vital to the Ninja and the party's survival?

Mabel said:
I also mentioned to the party how easy it is to MISS something with a BRD because of all the extra text a BRD's songs put out

So who's gonna the first one to tell her there are chat filter options in the game?
 
_Neosquall_ said:
So who's gonna be the first one to tell her that Kaia has not even posted on this topic?



So who's gonna be the first one to tell her that's sub par exp?



So who's gonna be the first one to tell her a Ninja's buffs are vital to the Ninja and the party's survival?



So who's gonna the first one to tell her there are chat filter options in the game?


You sir. you. :x
 
That's some lovely rhetoric justifying all your actions, but none really explain why you feel it's ok just just leave parties without notice. You're bored, tired, mad, just don't feel like partying, whatever; just give some warning or notice, it's not hard. People don't have a problem with leaving for justifiable reasons, they do have a problem with just ditching parties.

Also, regarding your response to Silfer's party, you're saying that you're busy taking care of the other party members. That's fine, but your priority is the tank. You need to make sure he can do his job first and foremost, everyone else is secondary, and any whm will tell you this. As for the stuff that you're missing, I would recommend changing your text colors around. Show debuffs on your party members in a different color, so they stand out even with a bard's songs. Another option is what I've done, learn what the monster's attacks do, or learn to recognize what the effects/sounds are, so you dont have to stare at the chat log all the time getting confused by all the spam and you can still do you job.
 
Antor said:
I salute you for not being a complete jackass to those who have flamed you in this thread.

Agreed. Very nice feedback Mabel.

As I said, I don't personally know you myself, but from your response, I commend you.

I do agree with Mal though about making sure your tank is always taken care of first and foremost. While they may be demanding at times, it is our responsibility (the support jobs) to keep them alive first and foremost.

Other than that, nice comeback overall.
 
I've witnessed an enormous variety of bomb tosses in my day of playing. Of course, the most frequent one is the moderate damage one that it throws at the tank. The second most frequent one is the one when it's usually almost dead that it throws, but drops it on it's self which usually kills it. Sometimes, however, I've seen the odd Goblin "nuke" as some put it, dealing like 800 damage to the whole party at around Lv55, even with Barfira on. I've seen lots of Bomb Tosses where they just throw a huge nuke that decimates an entire party in one blow. However, since that's only happened like twice in my whole time ever playing, I'd say you'd be better off just using Stoneskin, Regen, and Barfira. Haste on the NIN if there is one of course.
Rule of thumb: If going against a crab, use Barwatera, if going up against a goblin, use Barfira.
 
haha, jinx Baja^^.
 
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