Monk. Bandwagon Job of 2006

[Mai Ikari]

Okay, first off, Shauessy, pull your head out of whatever section of the intestinal tract you have it wedged into, shut up, and listen to the people who know what they're talking about.

Next... Why do people bash on the relic WS's so much? They're not ABOUT the pure damage, though it's a nice bonus. They're about continuing/making Light/Darkness. A Lv3 chain made with a relic is 50% stronger than normal. So instead of Light mirroring the damage of Final Heaven, it's Final Heaven x1.5. This also affects the chance of the chain being resisted, and the damage multiplier on magic burst. It's also about the strength being fixed, no matter how high your TP. So there's no reason to save above 100%, which means faster WS's, more chains, and more damage. Yes, you can get marginally better performance from a 300% Dragon Kick than a 100% Final Heaven. But that 100% Final Heaven will do more overall damage than the 300% Dragon Kick, because of the boosted Light and following boosted MB.

This is also why Relic 5 is NOT a 700 million gil meriting weapon. Relic 5 = Relic WS = big-ass Lv3 skillchains. Arguably the best Relic 5, for this reason, is the SAM GKT, because they can close Light 3 times with 2-hour, for 150%, 200%, 250% damage. And of course, massivly amplified magic burst damage. Of course Horn and Shield will make you harder to kill, but they won't make you kill faster. Relic weapons make you kill faster. A lot faster.

 

[Kire]

Okay, first off, Shauessy, pull your head out of whatever section of the intestinal tract you have it wedged into, shut up, and listen to the people who know what they're talking about.

Next... Why do people bash on the relic WS's so much? They're not ABOUT the pure damage, though it's a nice bonus. They're about continuing/making Light/Darkness. A Lv3 chain made with a relic is 50% stronger than normal. So instead of Light mirroring the damage of Final Heaven, it's Final Heaven x1.5. This also affects the chance of the chain being resisted, and the damage multiplier on magic burst. It's also about the strength being fixed, no matter how high your TP. So there's no reason to save above 100%, which means faster WS's, more chains, and more damage. Yes, you can get marginally better performance from a 300% Dragon Kick than a 100% Final Heaven. But that 100% Final Heaven will do more overall damage than the 300% Dragon Kick, because of the boosted Light and following boosted MB.

This is also why Relic 5 is NOT a 700 million gil meriting weapon. Relic 5 = Relic WS = big-ass Lv3 skillchains. Arguably the best Relic 5, for this reason, is the SAM GKT, because they can close Light 3 times with 2-hour, for 150%, 200%, 250% damage. And of course, massivly amplified magic burst damage. Of course Horn and Shield will make you harder to kill, but they won't make you kill faster. Relic weapons make you kill faster. A lot faster.

some relic weapons are godly in damage ie pld/rdm relic weapon a galka pld can do 400-500 damage from addtional effect as it adds 1/4 f your hp to eveyr hit

 

[decidence]

Relic GKT scares me, I wonder if I will ever see one on a fellow NA/EU player and used in action.

 

[Shaunessy]

Why do you all assume that I don't do my homework on things that I want? I knew how to get the latent on the Destroyers to work before I even posted what I said about them. That's why I called them the cheap mans knuckles.

 

[Tagrineth]

This is also why Relic 5 is NOT a 700 million gil meriting weapon. Relic 5 = Relic WS = big-ass Lv3 skillchains. Arguably the best Relic 5, for this reason, is the SAM GKT, because they can close Light 3 times with 2-hour, for 150%, 200%, 250% damage. And of course, massivly amplified magic burst damage. Of course Horn and Shield will make you harder to kill, but they won't make you kill faster. Relic weapons make you kill faster. A lot faster.

Testing has shown that you can't re-loop the skillchain with the same relic WS repeatedly.

neenjar edit

Why do you all assume that I don't do my homework on things that I want? I knew how to get the latent on the Destroyers to work before I even posted what I said about them. That's why I called them the cheap mans knuckles.

You made a reference to "if you can make the latent permanent", which sounded like you were saying it wouldn't be permanent.

 

[mugenteg]

Why do you all assume that I don't do my homework on things that I want? I knew how to get the latent on the Destroyers to work before I even posted what I said about them. That's why I called them the cheap mans knuckles.

What does this sentence bellow say.

Well I still stand firm on I want those knuckles. Plus the only way that Destroyers will perform like the Spharai is if you get the latent to be active at all times. So in a sence they are like the Spharai, just the cheap mans knuckles. It's cool though Skaw, maybe you just don't WANT to be the pimpest MNK.

If I'm reading right you din't know the latent was permanent once you get 500 ws points.

Btw 500 WS points is not an easy task.

 

[Jakey]

Why do you all assume that I don't do my homework on things that I want? I knew how to get the latent on the Destroyers to work before I even posted what I said about them. That's why I called them the cheap mans knuckles.

So if I were a mnk and didn't want to spend an extra 700 mil for a weapon which isn't noticably better than the one I got for free, then I'm being cheap... I'll keep that in mind

 

[Shaunessy]

I was making a referance to the fact that you need to quest the effect on the knuckles. Which is much easier than questing the Spharai. I don't know, it made sense to me.

 

[Legomyeggo]

To the OP.

Why do you care? I mean does it really bother you that people can play any job they want. If you're gonna get butthurt over bandwagon job, then maybe this game (or any mmorpg for that matter) isn't for you.

 

[Darthyoda]

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There's probably a very apparent reason for this...but why all the sudden interest in monk? Monk has been and always will be my favorite job...and I know that end-game LS's take a liking to monks..but why now of all times? Why not in 04-05, even earlier? Everytime I flag up and do searches on seeking people, I can guarantee there will be 4-6 monks searching...
So my question to you, Quetzalcoatl, is...
Why now?! :rtfm:

I really appreciate these opinions guys, thanks :smile: but let's not just make DoT a reason to level monk...I support the people who love the job because of every attribute and ability it has, not just because end game links like them.
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as long as my thread is still up I might as well say this...
...60WAR/30MNK FTW ~retired
...60MNK/30WAR on teh rise.
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Tymon you noobcake. roflcopter. admit it, you'll never quit, ever

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lol I don't think of the other monks as competition, I'm in a static! XD
and aye, let's hear it for the people who actually camped their Brown Belt.
instead of paying 3 million plus for the easy way out.
I killed Morlbolger and all I got was this Brown Belt...
~propz to teh tarutarus for their awesome flip in Asuran Fists.
good gear doesn't make a player great...good gear makes a great player better. (Excluding the obvious here)

To the OP.

Why do you care? I mean does it really bother you that people can play any job they want. If you're gonna get butthurt over bandwagon job, then maybe this game (or any mmorpg for that matter) isn't for you.Today 02:52 PM

Neo, it was a question. He was curious to the reasoning behind all the monks he's seeing. Monk been his main and dream job for over a year, he just hasn't been able to play it due to other focuses. I think you must miss the flameboard... that statement seemed a little harsh and unwarranted. oh well.

I didn't see Tarn indicate anywhere that he was upset with seeing other people on "his" job. He loves mnk, and was simply wondering why there's an increase in the numbers of monks running around. I know him personally.. and he admires every monk higher than him, and checks the gear of every monk he sees. He doesn't have a problem with other monks. He's wondering why there are so many now.

 

[K. Ishitar]

Well Tarn you may not want to admit or realize it but mnk is a lot like bst

A great TOD just that our weaponskills aren't as strong as Spinning Slash and crap

 

[Bigboy]

so what now?

Bandwagon = Popular? or is everyone just misusing the word now?

 

[Legomyeggo]

He was curious to the reasoning behind all the monks he's seeing.

What reason is needed? People play the job because it's FUN. Useless thread #38487330928432

but let's not just make DoT a reason to level monk

All I see here is "don plai my job cus itz madd gewd"

Maybe people like to see those huge numbers on parser results, who are you to tell anybody "Don't play my job".

It's obvious this thread is meant to call anyone who's second job 75 job is Monk a bandwagoner. Anything else is just sugar-coating the original intent.

Edit: Pressed submit too early

 

[wolfskymoon]

HAHAHA, but you'll never be pimp. Unless you get the Spharai.

I hate that whole concept of becomin pimp.Anyways i leveled warrior way long ago when ppl didn't know anything but war/mnk.I even tanked to level 60 with FUll AF lol.But yea i leveled the job for fun not because of its popularity or anything

 

[Valoran]

I've seen a major upswing in the number of monks my level seeking these days too.

And frankly, I do think a number of people "jumped on" the job a few months back when monk had a sudden upshot of popularity, both on the boards here and in general. Lots of people started paying attention to parsed damage and stuff.

I don't really mind people playing any job they want. But I do think that if you're just out to take up whichever job is going to parse the best, you're 1) a bandwagonner and 2) in for a shock. Any job can be played well, and anyone who plays a job as a career job will tell you that there are upswings and downswings.

Example: new expansion released a new spear for Drg, new G.Axe for war, etc.; no h2h weapon. Monks also don't have access to the mini-SH/Hauby gear through the mid-50's (Jaridah-whatever). I'm not complaining; it just might make monk a bit weak through the 50's compared to some other jobs.

Algol could triple attack on a high-end WS, giving serious number boosts to endgame damage for G.Sword jobs.

Upswings and downswings.

Anyway, I know the OP, and I guarantee that he's in this job for the fun, and not worried about competition or any such business. Not every career monk is 75; we'll get there, though . . . give us a bit! ;D


Edit: Speaking of gear, where's the monk JSE? Darks have that plastron set, pld's have a few sets . . . is Rasetsu gear supposed to cover this?

 

[wolfskymoon]

On a side note Parsers always aren't correct.Sometimes its not resetted sometimes its this sometimes its that etc.Mostly shows the guy owning the parser with the dmg on top hehe

 

[Bajaratt]

On a side note Parsers always aren't correct.Sometimes its not resetted sometimes its this sometimes its that etc.Mostly shows the guy owning the parser with the dmg on top hehe

Just because monks outparse you doesn't mean there's a bug.

 

[Tagrineth]

Just because monks outparse you doesn't mean there's a bug.

It IS true though, Parsers aren't always completely correct.

 

[Blackchaoshero]

It IS true though, Parsers aren't always completely correct.

wait for it... wait for it....
http://throneoflies.ytmnd.com/
you based every argument in every conversation i ever had with you on parser results. eat your drgdoesn'tsuck words from way back when or denounce the statement!

 

[Bajaratt]

It IS true though, Parsers aren't always completely correct.

Yeah, they're not always correct, but saying that they're always wrong and just show that the owner is the best is completely wrong. He's implying that anyone who parses anything is lying which isn't the case.