PLD job and Native provoke ability

You are really lazy or really bad at PLD if you think you need or should get Provoke as a PLD JA.

And since when has a spell needed to land to generate hate? I've kited kirin back in the day as nin/drk using pretty much only stun far better than i did as /war and stun never landed.

Alot of different jobs and their combinations can tank in alot of different situations. There are many possibilities, and many are used. Idk where you are getting this whole "pld is locked onto /war onry," but thats a load. As far as im concerned, pld is locked onto /nin 90% of the time.
 
Ruffyreborn said:
this isnt all that true, WAR is a DD these days, not a tank in any sort of way. (most of the time)

It wouldnt be the right idea to give NIN provoke, because that goes against it as a job. NIN was made by SE to be a RNG/BLM hybrid kind of thing, but people use it for tanking because of how expensive it is to be a NIN DD lol
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Funny i tank and DD at the same time. Double attack and berserk to good even if a nin had a voke JA, id still sub war.
 
matchuu said:
Funny i tank and DD at the same time. Double attack and berserk to good even if a nin had a voke JA, id still sub war.
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yeah, you do still DD. But not near what you would be able to pull off if the shuriken were affordable. They are the single highest DPS items in the game in relation to level.

NIN basically deal their damage through haste, and I know this will sound retarded, but a THF can almost keep up with NIN damage if geared similarly
 
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Zoolander said:
As far as im concerned, pld is locked onto /nin 90% of the time.
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For EXP up until the 70s, /WAR really is the best way to go.

HNMs, /NIN or /RDM, depending on the HNM in question all teh way. Maybe even /BLU? I don't know.
 
Ruffyreborn said:
yeah, you do still DD. But not near what you would be able to pull off if the shuriken were affordable. They are the single highest DPS items in the game in relation to level.

NIN basically deal their damage through haste, and I know this will sound retarded, but a THF can almost keep up with NIN damage if geared similarly
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait... So.. winning or being in the top two of almost every parse you participate in isn't DDing? Where exactly is your info coming from?

And /drk works wonderful for paladins, we use on ouryu it it keeps hate perfectly.
 
Ruffyreborn said:
You can guarantee that if a NIN is lfp as a DD, then they will not get invites. Ridiculous.
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Only if it's a noob ninja or has "DD only" in the search comment (which means noob 99% of the time anyway) A geared/merited ninja doesn't have too much trouble finding a cannon party where they aren't the initial voker (although you will end up tanking about the same if you're a good DD and not voking)

Zoolander said:
And since when has a spell needed to land to generate hate? I've kited kirin back in the day as nin/drk using pretty much only stun far better than i did as /war and stun never landed.
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Nin/drk can kite kirin better than pld/war. When he stops to quake a pld has to keep running like a little girl while a nin can stop and get some good hate, stone V too to a lesser extent.

Svina said:
One difficult thing to do as a pld really is level enhancing magic... which would be a huge determinant in how well /RDM works for them. Unless of course, you already have RDM levelled and capped enhancing :P
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I had no trouble capping enhancing as blm, protect > shell spam in besieged on NPC's levels enhancing fairly fast. I would get 5-10 levels in 20 minutes easy, and they don't slow down much as you approach cap.
 
If PLD gets provoke ja then NIN should to be limited to what SE wanted for them to be, a puller only. Which won't happen in my opinion.
 
dedalius said:
The problem is 2 handed weapons, in general, fail.
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which I cant really seem to understand, lol. But hey... SE does what they want...

It would only make sense, (since 2handed weapons are usually twice the damage of any axe anyone wields) to make the 2handed damage relevant.
 
Eh, 2H weapon jobs dont suck. Most just arent geared that well. I know plenty of DRGs that hold their own quite well in EXP, SAM/WAR can out DD anything inlcuding a Ridill WAR, and I've heard of DRK/SAM keeping up really well with very good WARs.

Your problem is you think 2h weapons suck, so you don't even give alot a chance. They can hold their own just fine if they put in the merits and time to get good gear, just like these "l337" wars, mnks, and nins you all seem to love to hate.
 
Zoolander said:
Eh, 2H weapon jobs dont suck. Most just arent geared that well. I know plenty of DRGs that hold their own quite well in EXP, SAM/WAR can out DD anything inlcuding a Ridill WAR, and I've heard of DRK/SAM keeping up really well with very good WARs.

Your problem is you think 2h weapons suck, so you don't even give alot a chance. They can hold their own just fine if they put in the merits and time to get good gear, just like these "l337" wars, mnks, and nins you all seem to love to hate.
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no but the thing is, 2h jobs have to work hard to become better DD than a WAR/NIN. A decent WAR can outdamage a well geared 2h job. They always have in every party, with any combination of 2h jobs.

Edit: Well, not always. But the majority of the time.
 
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Zoolander said:
Eh, 2H weapon jobs dont suck. Most just arent geared that well. I know plenty of DRGs that hold their own quite well in EXP, SAM/WAR can out DD anything inlcuding a Ridill WAR, and I've heard of DRK/SAM keeping up really well with very good WARs.

Your problem is you think 2h weapons suck, so you don't even give alot a chance. They can hold their own just fine if they put in the merits and time to get good gear, just like these "l337" wars, mnks, and nins you all seem to love to hate.
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The problem is twice the delay, for not twice the damage. It takes a lot of gear and skill to make a 2 handed DD keep up with an average warrior. I party with DRKs and SAMs in my LS all the time, because they are better than the average WAR. Unfortunately, the WARs in my LS surpass them even, because they are equally well geared. Given equal "pimpness" 2 Handers will do better.
 
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Zoolander said:
And since when has a spell needed to land to generate hate? I've kited kirin back in the day as nin/drk using pretty much only stun far better than i did as /war and stun never landed.
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I'm just saying tossing a bunch of resists at a mob generates hate but very little hate. You actually see a return on your hate when your spells procure to there full potential. (ie either damaging or enfeebling the mob.) If you spam Cure 4 on yourself with full hp it doesn't do shit but if you spam Cure 4 and your actually healing hp the spell is far more potent. All I'm saying is choose spells to use that don't resist and your going to do far better on hate then wasting mp on resisted binds and sleeps.

And like lucylittle said you also not running away like a little girly pld ><. Your spamming utsusemis are probably generating way more hate then your resisted stuns.
 
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I don't know about that 2h sucking thing... I've seen some mean Steel Cyclone damage.
 
dedalius said:
DOT
DOT
DOT
DOT

It's all about DOT.
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DOT is nice, but burst damage supports DOT, just as DOT supports burst damage. =P

Unfortunately SE kinda overlooked Warriors and gave them both.
 
Burst damage is nice for some of the higher HP stuff... Like a lot of what you fight in old areas...

But Aht Urghan, everything is low def or low HP... So Burst damage doesnt really help a lot, especially with 2h weapons, because you end up saving tp for 1-3 fights until you can use it. (Unless youre sam or /sam)

Im DRK main, Ive used WAR, and THF (Im working on leveling SAM) and I find that /thf still does much more damage than /war does. The activation rate of double attack when using 2h weapon is just atrocious. So I pick up a martial GS/scythe and just go at it. Basically what happens is, every 2nd or 3rd fight is free exp since the spike damage pretty much takes off 40%+ of the mobs HP.

My Guillotines just flat out suck against a lot of exp mobs. Even when all hits land, its for maybe 400-500 damage. Gay. Yeah, I do Equip swap. I find it much more useful to just SA and Spiral Hell every 100% TP I get then Abs-TP and do it again. With Martial Scythe and spiral hell, its about 800+ damage every time, just with 100% tp, and 1200ish with 200.

Just my experience using DRK for a while. /war simply sucks ass with my experience, unless I fight something not in aht urghan.
 
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