THE OFFICIAL 2009 FOOTBALL SEASON SMACK TALKING THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anglis]

Whoever said the Saints didn't have anything to win when playing Dallas and Tampa? We did, but I can give excuses because I'm a fan and not a player. So here goes.
Against Dallas. 5 offensive players out, 6 defensive players out. Against Tampa, the same. There I went their. Injuries are part of the game, but any team who lost their starting corners, and two defensive tackles would reel from that. No other team had as many injuries as we did that was still in contention. Saints also had the most on I.R. again out of any team...two straight years.

The Colts did lose their two corners for a bit, but you know what? They play zone all the way. The Saints play man defense almost exclusively, which means losing both starting corners had much more of an impact.

I'm not saying we'll even make it to the big dance, and if we did, I'm not saying we're guaranteed to make it. But yes, if the Saints play to their full potential, the Colts aren't near as explosive, not even close. Saints had the number one offense, and put up much bigger numbers then the Colts. Saints are 4th in rushing, and 5th in passing. Number one passing yards per game. They run twice as many formations as the Colts which create much more matchup problems. Colts only have 3 viable weapon skill players. Saints have double that. If both teams play turnover free football, then the Saints win. If the Saints turn it over, well the Saints lose.

 

[JP]

Whoever said the Saints didn't have anything to win when playing Dallas and Tampa? We did, but I can give excuses because I'm a fan and not a player. So here goes.
Against Dallas. 5 offensive players out, 6 defensive players out. Against Tampa, the same. There I went their. Injuries are part of the game, but any team who lost their starting corners, and two defensive tackles would reel from that. No other team had as many injuries as we did that was still in contention. Saints also had the most on I.R. again out of any team...two straight years.

The Colts did lose their two corners for a bit, but you know what? They play zone all the way. The Saints play man defense almost exclusively, which means losing both starting corners had much more of an impact.

I'm not saying we'll even make it to the big dance, and if we did, I'm not saying we're guaranteed to make it. But yes, if the Saints play to their full potential, the Colts aren't near as explosive, not even close. Saints had the number one offense, and put up much bigger numbers then the Colts. Saints are 4th in rushing, and 5th in passing. Number one passing yards per game. They run twice as many formations as the Colts which create much more matchup problems. Colts only have 3 viable weapon skill players. Saints have double that. If both teams play turnover free football, then the Saints win. If the Saints turn it over, well the Saints lose.

I can't remember who said it in this thread, but go back a couple pages when you guys lost to Tampa. And I'm mainly talking about the Saints' fans around my area using that as an excuse. Same with the Philly fans in Week 17, yet they were playing for No.2.

Colts aren't as explosive as most teams, but they are still the best team in the NFL as of now. Saying the Colts only has 3 weapons is a bit silly. If you are counting their QB, they have Wanye, Garcon, Clark, and even a fairly decent running game. And the Colts defense is way underrated. They have a fast Defense that can cause some problems.

The Saints are explosive and a good team, but as I keep telling people, they are not that great. There were some close games for the Saints where they should of lost/had to make one hell of a comeback. And usually they won because of the opponents mistakes, not their skills. There is only two games from the top of my head I can think of where the Colts where close to losing.

The thing that bugs me the most (not saying you are doing this) is when people overrate their team and underrate other teams. I know where the Cowboys stand. I had no intentions of us going to the Superbowl this year. I would of liked it, but I didn't think it'd happen. Out of the NFC, I do think we were the 3rd best team. Out of the NFL, I put us at about... 7th or 8th. And that's putting teams that lost in the wild card over us. We can be a pretty explosive team also, but explosions can be put out also. You can't expect them every game.

 

[Anglis]

I can't remember who said it in this thread, but go back a couple pages when you guys lost to Tampa. And I'm mainly talking about the Saints' fans around my area using that as an excuse. Same with the Philly fans in Week 17, yet they were playing for No.2.

Colts aren't as explosive as most teams, but they are still the best team in the NFL as of now. Saying the Colts only has 3 weapons is a bit silly. If you are counting their QB, they have Wanye, Garcon, Clark, and even a fairly decent running game. And the Colts defense is way underrated. They have a fast Defense that can cause some problems.

The Saints are explosive and a good team, but as I keep telling people, they are not that great. There were some close games for the Saints where they should of lost/had to make one hell of a comeback. And usually they won because of the opponents mistakes, not their skills. There is only two games from the top of my head I can think of where the Colts where close to losing.

The thing that bugs me the most (not saying you are doing this) is when people overrate their team and underrate other teams. I know where the Cowboys stand. I had no intentions of us going to the Superbowl this year. I would of liked it, but I didn't think it'd happen. Out of the NFC, I do think we were the 3rd best team. Out of the NFL, I put us at about... 7th or 8th. And that's putting teams that lost in the wild card over us. We can be a pretty explosive team also, but explosions can be put out also. You can't expect them every game.

I'm not overrated or underrated. I stated we could lose to Minny or the Colts, but saying the Saints aren't great is wrong, and it makes no sense coming from you. They won 13 straight games, got really injured and played pretty vanilla the last 4 games. They are in the championship game, and you're saying they aren't "great". Well I say this. They are the Saints, and people keeping putting them in the stigma of the past, but this year they are a great team.

Their defense is completely underrated because of that 25th ranking. Well here is a stat. The Saints defense lead the league in turnovers and td's scored. They were 2nd in opposing QB rating/completion/td passes. They were number 1 when we had both corners. The defense was finally healthy after the bye, the first time in 7 games we had almost all our starters and they shut down the Cardinals, who had a top 5 offense.

You guys might be tired of hearing Saints fans say they will win it all, but we don't care. 42 years and we've never hosted a NFC champiionship game, nor made it the Superbowl. The City was in shambles and everything was looking bleak. Then Sean Payton, Drew Brees, and Reggie Bush came and gave a lot of people something to cheer for. The last 4 years, that city has been electric with the team. No other city has that connection. No other city has 8000+ plus fans show up and greet the team after every away game late at night. It's the loudest venue, and we fans are damn proud of the team. If we don't make the big dance, it will be sad, but they are still my Saints and I'm proud of what they accomplished this year.

 

[TheOsyris]

I thought for sure it was the Raven or the Vikings who were first in turnovers.

 

[Zaltana]

I can't remember who said it in this thread, but go back a couple pages when you guys lost to Tampa. And I'm mainly talking about the Saints' fans around my area using that as an excuse. Same with the Philly fans in Week 17, yet they were playing for No.2.

I cant speak for out of NOLA fans so take from them what you will.

Colts aren't as explosive as most teams, but they are still the best team in the NFL as of now. Saying the Colts only has 3 weapons is a bit silly. If you are counting their QB, they have Wanye, Garcon, Clark, and even a fairly decent running game. And the Colts defense is way underrated. They have a fast Defense that can cause some problems.

So does New Orleans, one of the league leader in turnovers and defensive scoring in the reg season. And those receivers need a QB that knows where to put the ball for them. Peyton is that man. He makes those receivers shine. Without him their potential is reduced. They practice with Peyton and they know his style. If they lost him they'd have to readjust big time.

The Saints are explosive and a good team, but as I keep telling people, they are not that great. There were some close games for the Saints where they should of lost/had to make one hell of a comeback. And usually they won because of the opponents mistakes, not their skills. There is only two games from the top of my head I can think of where the Colts where close to losing.

You say the fact they had to make a few comebacks is a negative? the Colts did it 5 times. The Saints 4. Great teams make those comebacks. Great teams don't fold under the pressure. Great teams dig deep and say "it aint over till its over" and keep fighting. I knew once Romo and the cowboys were down by 2 touchdowns their swagger would disappear. The Saints were down by 3 touchdowns against Miami. Drew didn't roll over & die like Romo is known to do. He picked his team up and led them to victory. Thats what makes a team great and a QB a good leader.

The thing that bugs me the most (not saying you are doing this) is when people overrate their team and underrate other teams. I know where the Cowboys stand. I had no intentions of us going to the Superbowl this year. I would of liked it, but I didn't think it'd happen. Out of the NFC, I do think we were the 3rd best team. Out of the NFL, I put us at about... 7th or 8th. And that's putting teams that lost in the wild card over us. We can be a pretty explosive team also, but explosions can be put out also. You can't expect them every game.

This bugs me too. People who shout for the sake of their own narrow point of view that the Saints still arent a contender team just due to their history. I wonder how many people know how much of a non-issue the all mighty Pats were before belechik came along. He turned that franchise around. The same thing Sean payton is doing for the Saints. Whether people want to believe it or not the Saints have come up. where we go from here is up to the team themselves.

 

[JP]

Too much work to quote and stuff.

@Anglis, I didn't say they weren't great. They are. I said they "aren't that great." As in, some people completely over-hype the Saints like they can never be beaten. I believe they can win the Superbowl just as much as I believe they won't make it or will lose it. I don't judge teams by the past. The only team I do this to is the Eagles to shut up their fans. "Right, so where's your Super Bowl ring again? I mean you guys have been a team since 1933." I know they also have a good defense. In my fantasy league, I either used their defense (75% of the time) or the Giants. I'm certainly not tired of the Saints, I've been cheering them on to a Superbowl apperance/win since they went 6-0. Trust me, I've been going around saying "WHO DAT WHO DAT" also lol. I want them to win the Super Bowl because I want the NFC to have more wins, but I just think the Colts will win is all. You guys have a shot and I'll be rooting for ya til the end.

@Zalt, I'm not saying comebacks are negative but I'm saying that you guys had some games that should of went to the other team but the other team fucked themselves (i.e. Miami, Redskins). I don't remember the Colts have 5 comebacks either. And I'm not counting being down by 3-7 points in the fourth quarter. And you can't say we haven't had comebacks lol, we have. The thing about today "being down 14 points and losing our swagger" doesn't make too much sense. We didn't have much swagger to begin with really. We looked okay on our first 3 or 4 drives, but after that we looked like the 0-16 Lions. Also you can't say comebacks are all by your QB because your defense has to be doing something right to overcome a 21-point lead. If Romo and the Boys' was in that situation, I feel we could of too if we got 3 and outs and/or turnovers.

Dunno if you were directing the history thing to me, but I don't bring people's history into the present. Except Philly, see above. Again, I like the Saints, I think they have a shot, I want them to win, but I just don't think it'll happen.

 

[TheOsyris]

Ok so... This is going to be so fun. Is Reggie Wayne taking a trip to Revis Island. You know they say there is no way to contact a man once he goes there... Hehe.

I wanted to add it was robbery that Revis didnt win defensive player of the year. Woodson was great and had some numbers over Revis. BUT, there is something to be said when you shut down every single hot/big name WR in the game. This is the list of WR he held to under 30 yards in a game...

Chad Johnson x2, Andre Johnson, Randy Moss x2, Reggie Wayne. Roddy White, Terrell Owens x2, Marques Colston. Add to it he only allowed 40 receptions and 2 touchdowns all year... Jesus.

 

[JP]

The colts aren't explosive enough to compete with the saints, or the chargers for that matter.

Note: That most of my responses about the Saints not being that great were kinda in response to this comment lol. I never say "this team can't beat this team." I've seen the Raiders beat some pretty good teams this season to say that. I usually say "I think this team will beat this team" because this is the NFL, anything can happen. Don't be surprised if in Feb. we are talking about the Superbowl Champ Jets.

Also, Wayne vs. Revis will be a good match up lol.

 

[Anglis]

Wayne will pretty much be shutdown by Revis. He shut down Colston, but Dallas Clark will have a day on them. When we played them, we tested Revis and it didn't work. Brees was putting perfect passes to Colston, but Revis just attacks the ball faster then any DB in the game.

Attack the middle of the field on them, test those Linebackers. The Chargers went at Revis too much IMO. I know it's easier said then done, but it worked for us. Oh and we ran the ball on them pretty well, but the Chargers had no run game. I'm basing most of what that defense is made of on when we played them. They still play the same exact formula, they were number 4 when we played them. They are number one now, so they've gotten better. Should be a decent match up, but it's just hard picturing Sanchez (I know he won't do much, because they have TJ, Greene) getting the Superbowl over Manning.

 

[Zaltana]

The thing about today "being down 14 points and losing our swagger" doesn't make too much sense. We didn't have much swagger to begin with really. We looked okay on our first 3 or 4 drives, but after that we looked like the 0-16 Lions. Also you can't say comebacks are all by your QB because your defense has to be doing something right to overcome a 21-point lead.

But thats what i mean. Drew Brees' arm didn't solely win us those games when we were down, his leadership did. You are absolutely right. our defense was doing things right, because they refused to give up. Drew is the perfect motivator for the Saints. I'm seeing more and more of the team adopting the chant-like way that he gets the saints hyped up. The one he uses now he learned from some US Marines he would run with during the off-season.

The Cowboys need more discipline based on what i've seen from them. When a team falls behind, any team just about, they start to doubt themselves and get disheartened. Many teams buckle and a few pull themselves together. The Cowboys are a good team, but they need better leadership in the locker room. Romo is choked from head to toe with self doubt from all the constant criticism he gets. And as for not having swagger, you guys ended your December streak and won your first playoff game in 13 years. The cowboys had plenty to be motivated about i think. They just couldn't get that old monkey off their back still.

 

[Anglis]

But thats what i mean. Drew Brees' arm didn't solely win us those games when we were down, his leadership did. You are absolutely right. our defense was doing things right, because they refused to give up. Drew is the perfect motivator for the Saints. I'm seeing more and more of the team adopting the chant-like way that he gets the saints hyped up. The one he uses now he learned from some US Marines he would run with during the off-season.

The Cowboys need more discipline based on what i've seen from them. When a team falls behind, any team just about, they start to doubt themselves and get disheartened. Many teams buckle and a few pull themselves together. The Cowboys are a good team, but they need better leadership in the locker room. Romo is choked from head to toe with self doubt from all the constant criticism he gets. And as for not having swagger, you guys ended your December streak and won your first playoff game in 13 years. The cowboys had plenty to be motivated about i think. They just couldn't get that old monkey off their back still.

That and NFC east teams in general (mainly the Cowboys and Giants) completely break down in close games, or in games they are losing. They lose their head, get stupid personal fouls, penalties, etc. They have zero discipline, which has to do with the QB and head coach. I like Romo, but the guy doesn't lead, and don't get me started on Wade Philips. They will never win it all with him. Never.

 

[JP]

But thats what i mean. Drew Brees' arm didn't solely win us those games when we were down, his leadership did. You are absolutely right. our defense was doing things right, because they refused to give up. Drew is the perfect motivator for the Saints. I'm seeing more and more of the team adopting the chant-like way that he gets the saints hyped up. The one he uses now he learned from some US Marines he would run with during the off-season.

The Cowboys need more discipline based on what i've seen from them. When a team falls behind, any team just about, they start to doubt themselves and get disheartened. Many teams buckle and a few pull themselves together. The Cowboys are a good team, but they need better leadership in the locker room. Romo is choked from head to toe with self doubt from all the constant criticism he gets. And as for not having swagger, you guys ended your December streak and won your first playoff game in 13 years. The cowboys had plenty to be motivated about i think. They just couldn't get that old monkey off their back still.

Yeah we had Swagger every since we beat the Saints, but that's not what I'm talking about. You said "you go down by 14 and lose your swagger" like we even got into a groove in the first place. If we can't get into any type of groove, we won't win. If our running game doesn't work, we most likely will lose. Romo works great in Play Action, but if the defense doesn't believe that it's a run, Play Action won't work. There was no groove or swagger at all during that game except for the first drive that ended in a Romo fumble.

You can almost never blame a lost game on Romo. Most things come from other players when we lose a game. Yesterday was not Romo, it was the O-Line. Romo barely had time to throw the ball so of course he threw ugly passes. When we lost to Green Bay, that wasn't Romo either. He did well but when 2 receivers and your running back fumbles the ball, you're most likely not gonna win. If Romo completely loses his swagger after being down 14, then we would of been shut out by the Packers. We were down 17-0 when they drove down the field for a touchdown but didn't get the onside kick. With the time left on the clock, it was most likely a lost anyway but we didn't want to get shut out for the first time in over 10 years.

That and NFC east teams in general (mainly the Cowboys and Giants) completely break down in close games, or in games they are losing. They lose their head, get stupid personal fouls, penalties, etc. They have zero discipline, which has to do with the QB and head coach. I like Romo, but the guy doesn't lead, and don't get me started on Wade Philips. They will never win it all with him. Never.

That's called emotion lol. And no it's not mainly the Cowboys and Giants. It's actually the Redskins and Eagles that do it more. Me and my father talks about how the Redskins break down all time (yeah he's a skins fan). It's most teams really. Look at Vincent Jackson yesterday. Was it really needed to kick the challenge flag? 15 yard penalty because he was upset about it. If he knew he made the catch, why get so upset? His emotions just got to him.

Romo does lead actually lol. This year at least. Last year it was T.O. but this year he does go to the sidelines and yell at the guys for stupid mistakes. They even said yesterday that he yelled at the O-Line for not stopping the pressure. Wade doesn't lead but we've known that for a while now lol. I swear we just need to make him our defensive coordinator and get a real head coach because that's all Wade is good for. I do think we can win it all with him though. You can't say we will never win it all with him with how far we got. It's not like we didn't even make it to the playoffs. If we didn't make it to the Playoffs, he'd be gone. But he'll be back next year.

 

[Anglis]

Well you are right about the whole NFC east lol.

But I think they win in spite of Philips. That is just my opinion though.

 

[Airou]

you can lol it all you want. who's in the NFC championship game? The Colts have peyton manning, not to take away from the man cause he's outstanding, but that's it. He won the MVP award this year because, quite frankly, he personally carried the colts on his back the whole season. i'll bet money that Indy fans were praying to every god they could find that he wouldn't catch the injury plague that the colts suffered all season.

Only reason we lost that bucs game is cause Hartley always buckles under pressure. He nailed a 45+ one against the cards with a ton of air to spare, but misses a 20 yarder when it will seal a game. he nearly cost us the redskins game too because of that. Carney is the same way. I hate our kickers.

You are contradicting yourself, blaming the kicker. It shouldnt be up to the kicker when no one can compete with your offense, if it was as you say, then a kicking game should mean nothing.

Saying all they have is Peyton Manning has to be the dumbest thing ive heard you say. Wtf were the saints when they had Aaron Brooks? You lose Brees, you lose the season. Dallas Clark, Reggie Wayne, Freeney, Mathis, Brackett, man those guys are cans right?

Point is, if the Colts play the Saints, the COLTS will be the favorite, and rightfully so.

Only thing the Saints have over the Colts, would be the running game, but hell im a Miami fan, and ill tell you just look at that game to see that it means absolutely nothing to Peyton Manning.

 

[Anglis]

You are contradicting yourself, blaming the kicker. It shouldnt be up to the kicker when no one can compete with your offense, if it was as you say, then a kicking game should mean nothing.

Saying all they have is Peyton Manning has to be the dumbest thing ive heard you say. Wtf were the saints when they had Aaron Brooks? You lose Brees, you lose the season. Dallas Clark, Reggie Wayne, Freeney, Mathis, Brackett, man those guys are cans right?

Point is, if the Colts play the Saints, the COLTS will be the favorite, and rightfully so.

Only thing the Saints have over the Colts, would be the running game, but hell im a Miami fan, and ill tell you just look at that game to see that it means absolutely nothing to Peyton Manning.

Read my post about me giving excuses for the team because I can since I'm not a player. Yes the Colts will be favorites because they've been their before. I'll tell you this. By your point, who does the Colts have over the Saints?

As of right now, this year. It's a wash at QB. We have more sacks, more rushing yards, more int's, and two better corners. Now if anything, if Manning gets hot, I'll give you this, he's almost unstoppable, no matter who we have on that side. But every player you named, I can argue, that in that position, in this year ALONE, we had better players. Clark, yes while he had a ton of catches, might as well be a WR anyway. As far as TE goes, dude stinks at blocking, he's one dimensional.

Oh whatever, arguing over this is kind of silly anyway, and their are a ton of arguments because the teams seem to be evenly match.

Watch it be Jets vs Minny lol.

 

[Zaltana]

You are contradicting yourself, blaming the kicker. It shouldnt be up to the kicker when no one can compete with your offense, if it was as you say, then a kicking game should mean nothing.

I say that because if he had made the field goal, which was no where near out of average distance, we would have won.

Anglis can back me up when i say our kickers have been among the worst in the NFL the last 3 years. Go all the way back to 07 when we had Gramatica cost us at least 3 games that year, including one against Minn. The following years even to now we have to hold our breath every time our kicker goes onto the field because none of them have been consistent. Our offense needs no words from me or anyone else to vouch how dominant it is, but our kicking game sux. I'm stating simple observations.

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oh and on an lol note, don't mention Arron Brooks. There are people in NOLA that still want him dead. hahahaha

 

[Anglis]

We've had 4 FG kickers since 2007 if that tells you anything. Kicking is part of the game unfortunately, and it cost us 3 games last year, especially against the Redskins (man i was so pissed about that game lol).

 

[Hexx]

Hahahahahaha take that Cowboys =D (days late but hey, only time I'm on QCDN is when I'm at work).

 

[JP]

Hahahahahaha take that Cowboys =D (days late but hey, only time I'm on QCDN is when I'm at work).

Not only are you late, but shut up. D=

 

[JP]

Who dat say gon' beat dem Colts?

Good game though.