The Treasure Hunter skill & You:

Lavi said:
And fuck you Tiya. Thats twice you insulted me.
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Tiya said:
How long have you been camping Argus now Lavi? Have you gotten him?(I have no idea if you have or not, not trying to be a dick) If so have you gotten a drop?

I don't think you've gotten him yet, and if not, when you do and he doesn't drop the PCC, which he probably wont without TH - How many days of camping are wasted?
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Holy shit Vang's right, you are uptight. If you call that an insult, when I specifically said it wasn't meant as such, then, whatever. As for the second insult... You did/do sound like WSM's mule. Rin and myself have both posted that he sometimes lets friends use his character for TH2... I guess Mist logged in as him or something. That is far from making him a mule.

And back to my above quote... You said you've gotten Argus lots (I think that's bullshit, because despite you saying you've gotten it infront of Vang and Rin plenty, he's only seen it in the chat log once, and Rin hasn't seen it at all) and mostly with TH2... But I bet that too is BS, because anytime I've heard about or seen you down there you've never had a partner. So, lets say you have gotten Argus once (maybe lots of times). No TH2. You haven't gotten the drop yet, eh? Sounds like a waste of kills to me. Meaning less PCC's out there selling, meaning more demand, meaning the price is obviously going to be going up.
 
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kriist said:
Not to stir anything up... but one quick question...

Where is the proof that TH even effects HNM/NM drop rates? I have always heard rumors that TH only effects normal mobs, and the drop rate of NM/HNM's is a set drop rate.

This may be horribly incorrect, but just wondering where it was stated by S.E. that TH effects NM/HNM drops at all?

The only reason I ask is because I myself am A NM hunter. I don't go for the "Big Dogs" so to speak, but not a day goes by that I don't camp at least one of my 4 favorite NM's. One of my best friends in this game is a 75 THF/NIN and to be honest... I haven't noticed a difference in the drop rate, with her in my pt, or not...

Hope you all don't hate me now... :cry:
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Treasure hunter affects the rate at which items drop.
THe more possibilities of drops, the higher chance one of those drops will be the prized Item.

Challenge 1:
If the mob has like 3 drop slots (Solo player)
No TH is like 10%, 5%, 1% chances of getting an item per slot. (Theory)
TH I adds about 5% to each slot: 15%, 10%, 5%
TH II adds another 5% to each: 20% , 15%, 10%

Challenge 2:
After a drop has been established the Item that drops into it is challenged, each having a set probability:
25% Beetle Jaw
35% Beetle shell
35% Insect Wing
5% Key

And the challenge is voided on duplicates:
Chal #1: Chal #2:
Roll=888 | Slot 1 = Shell
Roll=998 | Slot 2 = Shell ! Slot 2 VOID
Roll=997 | Slot 3 = Key

PlayerX finds a Beetle Shell on the Helm Beetle.
PlayerX obtains a Beetle Shell.
PlayerX finds a Nest Coffer Key on the Helm Beetle.
PlayerX obtains a Nest Coffer Key.

so when a Mob Like VE is being fought and the standard drop is either a wing or a Pin, you ad a 50% increase on one slot, and a 100% increase on the other, while still the drop rate is a steady 35% for TH II vs a measly 15% without either.
 
Phraust said:
Treasure hunter affects the rate at which items drop.
THe more possibilities of drops, the higher chance one of those drops will be the prized Item.

Challenge 1:
If the mob has like 3 drop slots (Solo player)
No TH is like 10%, 5%, 1% chances of getting an item per slot. (Theory)
TH I adds about 5% to each slot: 15%, 10%, 5%
TH II adds another 5% to each: 20% , 15%, 10%

Challenge 2:
After a drop has been established the Item that drops into it is challenged, each having a set probability:
25% Beetle Jaw
35% Beetle shell
35% Insect Wing
5% Key

And the challenge is voided on duplicates:
Chal #1: Chal #2:
Roll=888 | Slot 1 = Shell
Roll=998 | Slot 2 = Shell ! Slot 2 VOID
Roll=997 | Slot 3 = Key

PlayerX finds a Beetle Shell on the Helm Beetle.
PlayerX obtains a Beetle Shell.
PlayerX finds a Nest Coffer Key on the Helm Beetle.
PlayerX obtains a Nest Coffer Key.

so when a Mob Like VE is being fought and the standard drop is either a wing or a Pin, you ad a 50% increase on one slot, and a 100% increase on the other, while still the drop rate is a steady 35% for TH II vs a measly 15% without either.
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Ok... now that all that is cleared up.... Where did you get your information?
 
No offense Tiya, but the one thing I don't think you're taking into account (if you are, silly me), is that with TH2 the drop still isn't guarunteed, not even close or else it's cost would be considerably less.

..So I doubt a THF not-getting it a couple times will automatically shoot the price...rather, you say only THFs get it, so wouldn't these saintly people be the ones DIRECTLY screwing the price by raising it since they're the only ones getting+selling them?
 
Oh, I never said that they were saintly... I'm well aware that thf's are jacking up the price... But only because of the huge demand and limited supply. TH2 doesn't guarantee the drop, but it comes pretty close, whereas no TH2 means its pretty unlikely you're gonna get it.
 
My friend, a 45THF is 0/4 on VE. End of story, stop arguing.




P.S. My penis is bigger. <3 Pannda
 
Panda said:
And seven pages of you asshats arguing over who's penis is better at pulling NM's isnt?
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A penis pulling something?
That's a new one.
Where I come from I pull my penis, it doesn't pull me.
 
Lavi said:
Now I know either Rinas or Mistasia is a mule since one of them accidently dc'ed the other mt'ed in say "Oops I need to relog onto the 2nd character".
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Sweet, now I'm a mule! Since we know Rin isn't - well that just leaves me...

How bout this Lavi, go piss on yourself. I never did nothing to you and now you're hurling crap at me? Try this on for size.... you're a sub par NM camper, always have been and always will be - deal with it.
 
Also...No one said this was gospel or a rule, so why is this such an owwy for some people?
 
nevermind. forget i said anything. go about your business.

<insert annoyed look here>
 
To Lavi:

Thought, that thief might have been trying to get your guards down. Think of it if you will.

THF offers the WHM/RNG(I hope you are rng) some TH helpp at Emperor. THF subs RNG. THF states that they not party until either one of them claims. Upon claim said claimer is the one that will become quartermaster. If the Hairpin is to drop, claim keeps all, the party only helping drop rate slightly.

Now this sounds to me like a large advantage to the THF here. You, the WHM, get high confidence that you now have TH2, but the thief has the much larger scan range to and flee, in all cases given, i'd say if you are the only 2 there i give 90% of the claims to the thief.

That thf wasn't being generous, he was looking out for profit. If you did claim great for you but I don't see it happening.

Note - I myself have been seeing too many non-thf non-rng's camping VE, staying away a bit. That said when i do see thieves or my friends that go down, they will share, split 50/50 and only have to cover 1/2 the ground. Make less but with all the freaking vokers wasting VE's, you need to be closer to outvoke them.
 
Slightly off topic but why do people take offense to the mule comment? I will admit myself after PS2 release I've made every scrap of gill I could off my 2nd account's bot, except for breaking the ToS. I never heard anyone saying bot so who really cares if they're a mule or not?
 
Being on a mule is no big deal... I'm on my smithing mule more often than I'm on Tiya. It's when your main character is being called someone elses mule that it becomes insulting.
 
Slightly off topic but why do people take offense to the mule comment? I will admit myself after PS2 release I've made every scrap of gill I could off my 2nd account's bot, except for breaking the ToS. I never heard anyone saying mule so who really cares if they're a mule or not?
 
There are alternates to nm camping to get gil. Mining, Logging, Excavating, and Harvesting...

Though I'm not sure how profitable Logging and Excavating is... and I think of the 1.5 years I've been playing, only person I saw actually Harvesting was Nnep.

If you Excavate in Attowha Chasm(Danger Side,) You can get HQ Scorp Shells and Antlion Mandibles.
 
Firestreak said:
Slightly off topic but why do people take offense to the mule comment? I will admit myself after PS2 release I've made every scrap of gill I could off my 2nd account's mule, except for breaking the ToS. I never heard anyone saying bot so who really cares if they're a mule or not?
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I think (hope) that's what you meant :P
 
Funny how I tried to get that thread back on track and argued that non-thieves campers are not responsible for the price inflations of expensive items (or that having them stop camping will not bring the price down if you prefer) and it totally got ignored, even by the original poster......


Now this is a thread about a few thieves looking to get ride of competition.
 
Seems pretty stupid to me. If I could level a mule's THF to 60 I could level my own character's thf easier. It just doesn't make any sense to me unless you I guess lvl thf to 45 to team up with a higher lvl job on your main to team up? Honestly who gives a damn? You're rich, they're not. Let them waste time trying to figure out your tactics.
 
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