Nasya said:
hm, i should get one... it would be nice to see figures rather then listen to oppinions. I just have so many people telling me how much thf sucks all the time i have started to believe them ; ; /hides behind phraust
save me from the meanies '-';;
Sure....
Hide Behind the Phraust...
Make me your 'Trick Bitch'...
Damage Parsers are interesting, but to be fair, they do have several holes in them. For instance: You have a Thief, a Ranger, and a Black Mage in a group, And the Damage Split is about 26, 28, 32. But In a group With a Thief, Dark, and a Black Mage where the damage split is more along the lines of 40, 20, 40. Because: The Dark has to use a compatable Weaponskill, thus limiting thier damage and adding thier own potential damage to the thief's pool. Making Any 'What class is better' argument bullshit.
Which Coincidentally brings us back to our point... Party Eficiency..
All I am saying is this:
If you want to get the maximum exp out of the time you spend Partying:
Use each and every person in your group to its full potential.
As a thief, having been in many groups as the opposition in this thread suggests, I can tell you, there is a better way of doing things. If you want me, your thief, to not put my full potential into your party, bring maximum Damage to your Target, and Properly Balance the Hate table to let the rest of the group preform to the pinacle of thier ablities; then all I got left to say is this: You are a waste of my, and everyone else you party with's time.
Its like asking a ranger to not use Barrage, or asking a Black mage not to Magic Burst, or asking your Melee not to skillchain. Your arguments in this thread is the very formaldehide that the lazy fucks that i had to party with have been pumping into my veins that gave birth to this thread in the first place. But guess what? I'm not fucking dead yet, so quit sharing your juices with me... Go play a thief past 60 then come back and argue with me on how to do my job. But I can assure you with 100% certanty that you would be on my side of the argument by that time.
if i am 80% or more with TP i usually won't though, because it is only 2 attack turns away for WS. RNG might have a crappy rating in evasion but it hasn't been a problem for the rangers in the parties i have had with them. They are generally able to hold it for a little while '-'. Also... i donno what you are talking about with DD getting TP faster then thf ;p (unless they are sam or /sam or rng because of skills...) because usually i keep right up with the other dd in the pt or i am faster with tp ^^;;. 
it is very possible to do an initial TASA and then 5-10 seconds later skill chain, but the rest of the party has to cooperate to do so. To say that you believe we should not do this would be like us saying you shouldn't use your wyvren... our effectiveness and damage out put is a direct result of how many times we manage to use TA or SA or both in battle, just as a substansial ammount of your Damage output comes from your pet. are there situations where voking first is best? of course... close to 100% TP, puller is getting owned, etc etc. But to say that it is always better to not have an initial TASA is retarded. Give your thfs a chance... you might be pleasently supprised at how they are able to time things. If not, have the tank voke first; adapt to each player rather then assessing how the job should play, because it is very possible to pull off an initial TASA, and when you allow your thf to do so it benifits the whole pt.
(<3 bards and properly debuffed mobs. SA did about 900dmg and the reaction was around 600-700ish very rare, but it can happen ^^; maybe if i ever get a p.harpe it will happen more often XD ) I would wager it would be easier to do now too, as the new skill makes TA do more damage. also... i do not think you count for TP arci 