its official, rng was nerfed.

[Mithracat]

RNGs just want to feel loved.

 

[CubsWoo]

You're saying they haven't been loved for the last two years?

 

[Mokk]

So, basically, all Syn's done in the last 4 posts is prove that this is the mentality of the Ranger. Get goo-goo eyes at the mass damage, claim that RNGs are needed for EVERYTHING mission, quest, and endgame related, and cry foul since they spend more gil in a party they're now entitled to lap everyone else damage-wise.

Every other class has had a nerf or three and has had to adapt. Now it's the Ranger's turn, and suddenly nerfing is patently unfair. Sorry, but that doesn't wash with me. Maybe all the god shells will dump the RNGs and let Monks take their place to do their 1500+ damage Chi Blasts, lol. And you can't get Chain 14, oh noes! If chain XP multipliers improved after 5, this would make a difference!

And Syn, you don't need to sign the bottom of your posts. We know it's you. You already have a signature. We can see your name in the upper left-hand corner.

so what your saying is taking a bunch of darks/wars/drgs/mnks and letting them run around chasing after a kited mob to wack for 0-20 damage is what everyone wanted to begin with.
interesting.

~Syn

I think what he was saying was that those classes don't have much chasing around mobs to do, but those jobs had been gimped before and got over it, have a debate not a pissing contest :roll:

 

[CubsWoo]

So, basically, all Syn's done in the last 4 posts is prove that this is the mentality of the Ranger. Get goo-goo eyes at the mass damage, claim that RNGs are needed for EVERYTHING mission, quest, and endgame related, and cry foul since they spend more gil in a party they're now entitled to lap everyone else damage-wise.

Every other class has had a nerf or three and has had to adapt. Now it's the Ranger's turn, and suddenly nerfing is patently unfair. Sorry, but that doesn't wash with me. Maybe all the god shells will dump the RNGs and let Monks take their place to do their 1500+ damage Chi Blasts, lol. And you can't get Chain 14, oh noes! If chain XP multipliers improved after 5, this would make a difference!

And Syn, you don't need to sign the bottom of your posts. We know it's you. You already have a signature. We can see your name in the upper left-hand corner.

so what your saying is taking a bunch of darks/wars/drgs/mnks and letting them run around chasing after a kited mob to wack for 0-20 damage is what everyone wanted to begin with.
interesting.

~Syn

Endgame isn't everything. And, as I said before, instead of having 6 Rangers taking potshots at Kirin, you can have 6 Monks swapping in and out that'll deal just as much damage with their Chi Blasts.

Or

And this is a shocker

People will learn to deal with it and form new strategies.

 

[CubsWoo]

Really, the point is this: The Rangers who play the job because they love the job aren't complaining nearly as much.

The Rangers that leveled the job to 75 because they figured it was the fast track and the easy way into a God/HNM linkshell are the ones who are bitching. And I'm not harboring too much sympathy for them.

 

[Synical]

Really, the point is this: The Rangers who play the job because they love the job aren't complaining nearly as much.

The Rangers that leveled the job to 75 because they figured it was the fast track and the easy way into a God/HNM linkshell are the ones who are bitching. And I'm not harboring too much sympathy for them.

and which one do you think i am, just out of curiosity?

~Syn

 

[CubsWoo]

You act a hell of a lot like number 2.

 

[Mithracat]

You're saying they haven't been loved for the last two years?

No, I mean they want love now.

 

[Rappa]

You're saying they haven't been loved for the last two years?

No, I mean they want love now.

Then they should quit calling all of the other DDs "whiners" and the like. Every RNG topic so far has had flames and jabs at other jobs. :?

 

[Bajaratt]

I still don't see how this change will effect the kirin fight. Since he's kited anyways, there's not a lot of meleeing going on, so there's no real reason why you couldn't just stand a little further back to shoot. If I'm wrong, please tell me how, because I just don't see it.

 

[Mokk]

Amen, here here, and all that jazz

 

[Synical]

You act a hell of a lot like number 2.

i have one job at 75 in 2 years of playing. just rng. fast track to 75, i dont even know what that means. it was hardly fast or easy.
some of these changes arent really that bad, and its not just about the number changes. After investing so much time into a character however, forgive me if i seem less than pleased with the new end result. when drg and mnk got their tp nerf this game was barely a year old in the states.
IF se had just let us shoot while on the move, (you cant), this patch may not have seemed so bad to me. if se had made shadowbind have a 2 minute recast, this would not seem so bad.
as it stands, if i tried to go solo eastern shadow alone id have my ass handed to me. whereas the 75 mnk standing next to me could take it down alone with ease.
the playing field was leveled for rng vs other melees sure, ok. i really dont have issues with that, but the playing field was also made Two Times harder for a rng alone.

real truth of the matter is people for the most part, Any non ranger is gonna be thrilled here and rngs are gonna be upset, thats fairly normal id say. yall arent rngs though, you havent invested time and effort into the job. so when it comes right down to it you flat out Do not understand what SE did to a job i used to love. And not for the numbers, but because it was fun. Theres alot of extra stuff in here now that yes might make me relearn the job, but i DID (believe me or not) try to keep an open mind about this when i logged in to try it out yesterday. its not fun, its more work than play in the long run.
im done here. i hope a month from now, i dont see threads in the forums about how shitty ranger is in xppts now, it would make all of you look silly.

~Syn

 

[alanon]

so what your saying is taking a bunch of darks/wars/drgs/mnks and letting them run around chasing after a kited mob to wack for 0-20 damage is what everyone wanted to begin with.
interesting.

~Syn

I want to preface what I am about to say, by saying that Im not being sarcastic, I really want to know:


How does this change affect kiting? I always thought this meant that the ranged attacks would shoot at the target while it was chasing someone. Since the change only affects close combat, won't kiting remained largely unchanged?

Again, this is a serious quesion, I admit ignorance.

 

[yanzi]

the problem lies in the WS. RNG can no longer Open a SC with a thief, because we either cant turn it, or we stand back to turn it, and it runs all over the place.

Every other melee has to deal with this also. Im sure creative rangers out there will be able to deal with this in some way. I still have faith that the creative rangers out there will still be dealing more dmg then other melee(just like they were before, just not as much). The way I look at it is now if you want to open for a thf ... /war. Now not being a rng myself I cant say that this would for sure work, but that sounds like a very viable solution now. Stand back get your maximum dmg SS or SW then move up and voke.

This is if you really cant turn the mob anymore. If you are still able to turn the mob then yes you will just have to deal gimped dmg on WS and stand close to the mob.

I dont know if this will work but to me it sounds like Rng's will just need to get a little more creative.

if i want to fire a maximum damage WS, i have to stand away from the tank. i will pull hate, the mob may or may not run in a straight line towards me. then you have to have the tank + thf line up after the mob has run to me. not enough time to finish a SC.

 

[yanzi]

Why would shooting a bow from 5 feet increase its damage when gravity and other factors make an arrow travel FASTER if shot from a distance?

actually an arrow shot from far away with an upward arch would hit less hard than one pointed straight at you point blank. if you've taken physics, you'd know.

 

[alanon]

Why would shooting a bow from 5 feet increase its damage when gravity and other factors make an arrow travel FASTER if shot from a distance?

actually an arrow shot from far away with an upward arch would hit less hard than one pointed straight at you point blank. if you've taken physics, you'd know.

actually, arrows pierce armor better if shot at an upward arc and come down on a target. What can I say? I had a lot of time to watch the history channel since the update started. ..... :lol:

 

[Strid]

All I have to say is if this is SE way of trying to introduce more "realization" into the game here's some changes that will be made.

PLD: you will not tank you will be a WHM with defense
WAR: Will shine in melee DMG and be the only tank
MNK: You will be the new WHM ermmm cleric
WHM: WTF is this?
RDM: same
BLM: your name will be changed to Mage also you gain travel spells
NIN: Huh?
THF: The most dangerous mofo in the game in melee range
RNG: You will be crossed with the BST and gain monster pals
DRG: Bah you can stay we need someone to help the RNG's with their depression

All jokes aside:

I'd like to say Syn I don't know a single RNG who is happy...not one. We got a HUGE nerf on the DMG we deal and its accuracy even if we shoot in that "perfect range". However, posting anything here of the sort will fall on blind eyes. Most of these people have never taken the job past 15 much less experienced it full flavor to the 70's. They're just happy when someone gets nerfed and they are brought up more equal in the field. There is no reason the play RNG now at all as you can do the same DMG MUCH cheaper on any normal melee job now =/ Anyway I feel your pain man...

I would be severly disheartened if PLD was taken out as tanks but goddamn I would razz taruthor until he cried. That's about the extent of this RNG nerf yet non RNGs have no idea at all..

 

[yanzi]

Why would shooting a bow from 5 feet increase its damage when gravity and other factors make an arrow travel FASTER if shot from a distance?

actually an arrow shot from far away with an upward arch would hit less hard than one pointed straight at you point blank. if you've taken physics, you'd know.

actually, arrows pierce armor better if shot at an upward arc and come down on a target. What can I say? I had a lot of time to watch the history channel since the update started. ..... :lol:

only because top armor is usually weaker. if you have them coming in at an angle to body armor, it would glance downwards and i doubt it would pierce.

 

[Mokk]

All I have to say is if this is SE way of trying to introduce more "realization" into the game here's some changes that will be made.

PLD: you will not tank you will be a WHM with defense
WAR: Will shine in melee DMG and be the only tank
MNK: You will be the new WHM ermmm cleric
WHM: WTF is this?
RDM: same
BLM: your name will be changed to Mage also you gain travel spells
NIN: Huh?
THF: The most dangerous mofo in the game in melee range
RNG: You will be crossed with the BST and gain monster pals
DRG: Bah you can stay we need someone to help the RNG's with their depression

All jokes aside:

I'd like to say Syn I don't know a single RNG who is happy...not one. We got a HUGE nerf on the DMG we deal and its accuracy even if we shoot in that "perfect range". However, posting anything here of the sort will fall on blind eyes. Most of these people have never taken the job past 15 much less experienced it full flavor to the 70's. They're just happy when someone gets nerfed and they are brought up more equal in the field. There is no reason the play RNG now at all as you can do the same DMG MUCH cheaper on any normal melee job now =/ Anyway I feel your pain man...

I would be severly disheartened if PLD was taken out as tanks but goddamn I would razz taruthor until he cried. That's about the extent of this RNG nerf yet non RNGs have no idea at all..

i would suppose no one knows anything about mathematics either and those of us who aren't exactly going ape for your bitching are lumped in with this as well? I also assume you would presume to know more about the job than SE :roll: IMO this is a serious blow to rangers but meh wotcha gonna do? does it level the playing field for the rest of us, sure. do we think that's fair? sure. Is it? probably not. But at least SEs doing something to break up the cookie-cutter mold everyone has for their jobs. Last i checked the options were there for us to decide what we wanted to play to have fun, not sit in jeuno for hours on end lfg even with the leetest of leet gear. Iono, i'm not trying to piss anyone off about it, learned my lesson about the whole bitching at the bitchers thing it's counterproductive, i just think that ABSOLUTELY freaking out and getting defensive towards all the other jobs is a bit silly.

Granted those who play ranger for the fun of it are slighted a bit by my comments, and to those of you who are i appologize. But there's just as many rngs out there as brds, whms, blms, and rdms who took it for the fast track once they had another job up to support it's cost and it seems like those folks are the loudest crowd griping about it. I make no assumptions as to whose who in those groups of people, i'm simply sharing a POV.

 

[Strid]

i would suppose no one knows anything about mathematics either and those of us who aren't exactly going ape for your bitching are lumped in with this as well? I also assume you would presume to know more about the job than SE :roll: IMO this is a serious blow to rangers but meh wotcha gonna do? does it level the playing field for the rest of us, sure? do we think that's fair? sure. Is it? probably not. But at least SEs doing something to break up the cookie-cutter mold everyone has for their jobs. Last i checked the options were there for us to decide what we wanted to play to have fun, not sit in jeuno for hours on end lfg even with the leetest of leet gear. Iono, i'm not trying to piss anyone off about it, learned my lesson about the whole bitching at the bitchers thing it's counterproductive, i just think that ABSOLUTELY freaking out and getting defensive towards all the other jobs is a bit silly.

Eh, mathmatics? Never said anything about that.

The whole job listing was meant as a funny. It's traditionally how most games classes act compaired to that of FFXI.

SE probably knows the job bette than me FOR THEIR GAME but I was speaking traditionally.

I wasn't "freaking out" or "getting defensive" to all other jobs. Again, it was a joke. As for my comment about Tauro (sp?) That was, no joke. I just can't find an ounce of love for him anywhere.