Villarel said:If you put too much hate on the tank at the start of the fight with an initial SATA, then the tank has to hold back on his hate (less provoke, less ninjitsu, less warcry, etc), inorder to assure that the non warrior-subbed job (e.g. RNG/NIN) can turn the mob.
On the other hand, you can SATA the tank at the start of the fight, and the tank still goes all out on hate. In this case the possibility that the mob will not turn during a weapon skill is greater.
If the mob doesn't turn, the skillchain ending in SATA weasponskill on the tank is not maximized in terms of damge nor hate control.
Yes, i do agree with your point villarel. If tanker has too much hate, like PLD and assuming that PLD will spam a lot flash, voke etc to hold hate, it is hard for rng/nin to turn the mob when sc time.
One more thing you need to consider, EXP start to be 'sucked' once you are lvl 73. If THF can do more dmg 1300, probably the mob is T and VT. There is only one place I can find that is IT for lvl 75 and that is Aura Statue at Ru Avitau, Golem type past Faust NM (not before). And I dont think people know that place too much (because i know that place only after my third job, WHM is lvl 75). Weapon in Ro Moave and some part of sky area alrdy start VT and T. Of course you can say you can make dmg like 1500. But, it is rare occasion to see thf do 1500 dmg on mob IT. You need also to consider where there is no brd (for att buff), and PLD tanker (Bio to weak mob's att point) and no rng (weak defense arrow ex. acid bolt). That's why I say I never see THF do dmg over 1300.
Kirayamato said:Bah, assumptions. something i really hate most. Maybe to you. I tried initial SATA with my THF mates before against weapons in Ro' Maeve and Shrine of Ru'Avitau. As you are aware they do use Double Attack which will roughly take up 1/3 of my HP at the beginning. If the pt is not lined properly, I would like die or maybe have 200-400 HP left. You, thfs will not lose anything, as for ppl like me, i lose EXP and wasted my time due to faulty formation for initial SATA. Please think what you are risking and not think about yourself but think about the PT.
Oh yes, try to consider when your support DD is DRG/WAR. If you really want to setup SATA line (even take no more than 5 sec), most type enemy can hit you double attack. Try to consider also that DRG has weak def. Even with defender, DRG still lost like 200-600 HP (consider also critical attack) and healer is forced to do cure IV. Cure IV has a lot of hate (Cure III might not enough because only heal you 200HP). That's why I say sometimes initial SATA is not necessary. Maybe you can say we like to gimp your THF true purpose, but what if your initial SATA gimped the PT performance...
PS to Kirayamato: lol buduh, jom jer kita kasi idea2 bernas terhadap pencuri yg bijak tu lol, slamber kata tu last post. dammit ken!