Thief just some minor gripes... (A Vang Inspired Post)

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Villarel said:
If you put too much hate on the tank at the start of the fight with an initial SATA, then the tank has to hold back on his hate (less provoke, less ninjitsu, less warcry, etc), inorder to assure that the non warrior-subbed job (e.g. RNG/NIN) can turn the mob.

On the other hand, you can SATA the tank at the start of the fight, and the tank still goes all out on hate. In this case the possibility that the mob will not turn during a weapon skill is greater.

If the mob doesn't turn, the skillchain ending in SATA weasponskill on the tank is not maximized in terms of damge nor hate control.
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Yes, i do agree with your point villarel. If tanker has too much hate, like PLD and assuming that PLD will spam a lot flash, voke etc to hold hate, it is hard for rng/nin to turn the mob when sc time.

One more thing you need to consider, EXP start to be 'sucked' once you are lvl 73. If THF can do more dmg 1300, probably the mob is T and VT. There is only one place I can find that is IT for lvl 75 and that is Aura Statue at Ru Avitau, Golem type past Faust NM (not before). And I dont think people know that place too much (because i know that place only after my third job, WHM is lvl 75). Weapon in Ro Moave and some part of sky area alrdy start VT and T. Of course you can say you can make dmg like 1500. But, it is rare occasion to see thf do 1500 dmg on mob IT. You need also to consider where there is no brd (for att buff), and PLD tanker (Bio to weak mob's att point) and no rng (weak defense arrow ex. acid bolt). That's why I say I never see THF do dmg over 1300.

Kirayamato said:
Bah, assumptions. something i really hate most. Maybe to you. I tried initial SATA with my THF mates before against weapons in Ro' Maeve and Shrine of Ru'Avitau. As you are aware they do use Double Attack which will roughly take up 1/3 of my HP at the beginning. If the pt is not lined properly, I would like die or maybe have 200-400 HP left. You, thfs will not lose anything, as for ppl like me, i lose EXP and wasted my time due to faulty formation for initial SATA. Please think what you are risking and not think about yourself but think about the PT.
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Oh yes, try to consider when your support DD is DRG/WAR. If you really want to setup SATA line (even take no more than 5 sec), most type enemy can hit you double attack. Try to consider also that DRG has weak def. Even with defender, DRG still lost like 200-600 HP (consider also critical attack) and healer is forced to do cure IV. Cure IV has a lot of hate (Cure III might not enough because only heal you 200HP). That's why I say sometimes initial SATA is not necessary. Maybe you can say we like to gimp your THF true purpose, but what if your initial SATA gimped the PT performance...

PS to Kirayamato: lol buduh, jom jer kita kasi idea2 bernas terhadap pencuri yg bijak tu lol, slamber kata tu last post. dammit ken!
 
Great post... ^_^//

Arcien:- ! ! ! Damnit aku?? muahahahaha~ Kita dahler slamber bising kat sini banyak-banyak. Rasanya ni lah tread yang pertama kita aktif. Jom kita pergi kat flameboard line lol!!! Jom jom!!! Oi biler aku lapang (free) jom ballista. RASA KEHEBATAN DRG/SAM team up WAR/NIN!!!! Impulse Drive > Steel Cyclone!
 
THF often has to wait for the tank to line up.
All arguments against initial SATA seem to be "what if" scenarios...

Have your shit together, pop the MOB, quit whining about SATA possibly having the potential to suck.

Yes, things can go wrong. Bad things can happen easily in this game, no matter what job you are talking about.
SATA time is a higher risk time, as is Cure IV time, as is -ga nuking...

Risk Vs. Reward.

The quicker the MOB is properly lined up, the quicker the THF is going to do their job with SATA.
 
Sneakypants said:
The quicker the MOB is properly lined up, the quicker the THF is going to do their job with SATA.
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And don't stand in the way of a SATA. :shock: :lol:
 
Pascal said:
Sneakypants said:
The quicker the MOB is properly lined up, the quicker the THF is going to do their job with SATA.
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And don't stand in the way of a SATA. :shock: :lol:
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OMG i cannot stress that enough, especially redmages tha think its useful to melee. I First time i wait and nothing happens all i say is move. move MOVE! MOVE!!!! FUCK YOU MY SATA WORE OFF. Follwed by the next fight me SATA WSing the culprit +Distortion, i gave you one chance, this time im getting you killed for not listening. I know It very bad for pt efficiency but twice it got the rdm killed in a pt and they replaced him, smooth sailing after that one.

Also to add, mages that med if they are in the path of a pull. (BLM that thought he should melee and fuck up my SATAs come to mind atm). He'd sit between the PLD and the SAM and med there. And being that i always miss with my amazing 70 skill in archery, I have just about no hate and the mob whails on this little taru till the sam vokes, at which point i just smack a ton more hate on him and he dies for not playing properly. :twisted: :twisted: Dont say cuz you pay the 13 bucks a month you can do what ever the hell you want. Just quit paying or learn.
 
Pascal said:
Sneakypants said:
The quicker the MOB is properly lined up, the quicker the THF is going to do their job with SATA.
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And don't stand in the way of a SATA. :shock: :lol:
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BAHAHA...Songi's BRD got in the way of one in Altep. Fortunately he lived to talk about it.
 
once a very long time ago... an rdm, for well over an hour, insisted on meleeing and being in the back, in my way... So, finally i said "move, or you will die next time." He didn't move... and he did die '-' (this was low 30s)
 
Nasya said:
once a very long time ago... an rdm, for well over an hour, insisted on meleeing and being in the back, in my way... So, finally i said "move, or you will die next time." He didn't move... and he did die '-' (this was low 30s)
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Good, hopefully that will teach him eventually to "avoid death" (You) and be lower level to have more time to learn how the fuck to play his job (Not interfering with other's job).
 
hehe well... it happened over a year ago :p i did warn him though, so i felt and feel totally justified in having caused him to die :roll:
 
when rdm melee let them go ahead... they USUALLY don't hurt anyone... except when they get hit with SATA because of poor positioning on everyone's part. that's when you start rofl, lmao.. ect
 
Yeah I kinda forgot to put that in the original post lol.

My best SATA was off a Taru Summoner that I didn't see. Poor little Japanese girl was in the frey summoning Fenrir for the multi-stat boost in the Nest At the time I had my SA+Ta+WS on one macro(Bad Idea By the way) and the Macro was going off as planned and BAM! They didn't move or nothing. Didn't bother... I was kinda relieved when they tried thier hardest to explain how they learned one very crucial term in the English language: "Oops."

Phraust redies SNeak attack.
Phraust redies Trick Attack.
Phraust redies Viper Bite.
Phraust uses Viper Bite, the Hornfly receives 700 points of damage.
(Summoner) w
(Summoner) ('A';)"
(Summoner) oops...
The Summoner was defeated by the Hornfly.
(Summoner) (English)(Word) oops! w
(Summoner) (I'm Sorry) (Accident)

From then on she figured out how to achieve Maximum Distacne While Buffing us.
 
XD

at least she had a good sense of humour about it, some people, like a ranger i once had (Roofie) was in with the melee and got SATA'd and died... most definately did NOT have a good aditude about it... i kinda understand on grounds that we had rdm main healer... this was around level 30-32... no raise around...
 
hm, i don't think having SATA in the same macro as WS is a bad idea as long as you have the /wait correct ^^; /wait 1.5 between skills and ws is perfect '-'
 
For my SAnTA+WS I use 1.5-2 depending on lag....the only problem with 2 between SA and TA is sometimes you'll swing, and use SA....orz
 
Nasya said:
hm, i don't think having SATA in the same macro as WS is a bad idea as long as you have the /wait correct ^^; /wait 1.5 between skills and ws is perfect '-'
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The computer ignores decimal places. ='(
Since I ws in the beginning I just hit Ctrl+a and mash my WS macro anyways. THe 'all-in-one' macro was back in my newb days as a thief...
 
Yeah does 1.5 work?

I thought it had to be 1 OR 2.

I have noticed the thing Devi mentions though, where occasionally it goes something like this:

Ready Sneak Attack, swing (sneak attack goes bye bye), ready Trick Attack, ready WS...USE.

= SUX


If 1.5 works, I'm changing my macros, but I thought it did not.
 
1.5 does indeed work, i donno what phraust is talking about :p i have used it to cut down lag between spell casts on multi spell macros too.
 
Nasya said:
1.5 does indeed work, i donno what phraust is talking about :p i have used it to cut down lag between spell casts on multi spell macros too.
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Harumph! I'll try it out then.
 
I heard for a long time that .5 wouldn't take, but thank you for being the experts.
 
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